Thread: How to WILD

Originally Posted by SuperEgo

can you use a perfume or a cologne and use the sense of smell instead of using pain as the anchor?

Sure. You could even use something like a fan (white noise)

Im having trouble with Step 5. I go to sleep for a few hours, have my alarm interrupt my REM. I dismiss my alarm, and either use the bathroom, or start with the next step.

I lay stomach up and "numb" my body.
I use my computer fan sound as my anchor.
I get the "tingly" feeling, but it never activates my dream.
Im always aware, and have a hard time falling back to sleep. Any help?

Originally Posted by ProdigyRd

Im having trouble with Step 5. I go to sleep for a few hours, have my alarm interrupt my REM. I dismiss my alarm, and either use the bathroom, or start with the next step.

I lay stomach up and "numb" my body.
I use my computer fan sound as my anchor.
I get the "tingly" feeling, but it never activates my dream.
Im always aware, and have a hard time falling back to sleep. Any help?

The most important part is falling asleep. Being aware is useless if you're too aware and not able to fall asleep. If you're able to, visualise something. Nothing has to be specific. Ever just the blur of objects

Originally Posted by fOrceez

The most important part is falling asleep. Being aware is useless if you're too aware and not able to fall asleep. If you're able to, visualise something. Nothing has to be specific. Ever just the blur of objects

Thanks, ill keep trying!

Yea most people think that you have to stay aware throughout the whole endeveour, which is actually really hard to accomplish along with a successful WILD. You have to fall asleep when you WILD, but not in the traditional sense. Normally when you fall asleep, you lose consciousness, as your consscious brain sleeps, and the unconscious brain is tasked with making the dreams and making all the situations seem real. When you become lucid, it is when your conscious mind will awaken inside the dream, and for WILD'ing successfully, you need to awaken your conscious mind just before you pass that line of consciousness. Alot of the time this happens to me either with DEILD, or sometimes I will randomly feel aware of the fact that I'm asleep attempting to WILD, and seconds later the SP effects start to hit me.

is this like the idea that i posted a while ago?
http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/idea-new-method-123124/

so I just endure the pain and go to sleep?? What if I fell asleep and find myself awake in the morning....i need answers

Props on an amazing post. Very helpful information thank you A TON.

Thank you for the guide. I have a couple of thoughts in regards to some of the examples you gave.

First off I am not sure the analogy of the "pre-historic" human is accurate. I didn't learn enough about them in my research to come right out and say you are wrong but I don't recall ever hearing about this before. At this point in human evolution that you are describing we were more like ape than man. I don't even think we had the ability to use logic or learn from our past experiences to the degree it would take to lie waiting for prey.

In fact we didn't get enough protein in our diet for our brains to grow large enough to do complex actions like you describe until we got meat in our diets to begin with. It wasn't until our brains grew larger from protein that we could build weapons and properly hunt for prey to begin with. A group of ape like men lying in wait with sticks in their hands coordinating an attack on a large animal... I just don't think that it happened like that.

It is thought that our brains didn't even properly develop the ability to have an imagination until we attained fire. We were always on the look out for being attacked by other animals at night so we never really rested properly. But with fire, other animals stayed away and we began to relax, sleep and dream properly. Our imaginations and creativity grew out of this.

So to put it simply, I don't believe humans ever got deep sleep until we had fire. We were always aware of other animals attacking us at all times.

Once we had fire other animals kept away and we finally were able to get "deep sleep".

I don't mean to try to take away from your guide and I have not read through all the replies so I am sorry if someone else already brought this up... I just think it is starting it off on the wrong foot.

Will try tonight, cheers

This has really helped me and I'm sure it will help countless others too.

Yes,I see.This is very important.

I have never used WILD before..

So.. When i do all the steps, and get back in bed.. i should concentrate on the breathing now and then, only to realize i am in a dream ? OR, if i keep paying attention to breathing, i will get into hypnogogic imagery state.. and then let the dream create in front of me ?

Thanks. :]

Everybody is different. You go into one or the other. Be sure to not pay too much attention on your breathing or else you won't be able to fall asleep.

What exactly is an anchor, and can breathing be one?

An anchor is something (that is usually constant) your mind can passively keep track of, so you can keep your level of awareness to a certain degree without falling asleep straight away.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

An anchor is something (that is usually constant) your mind can passively keep track of, so you can keep your level of awareness to a certain degree without falling asleep straight away.

So, should I constantly focus on this "anchor", or should I let my mind drift off, then use the anchor to get a sudden "shock" of awareness, similar to what is experienced if drifting off to sleep and someone in the same room speaks loudly, and I lose that "drifting off" and become conscious, almost feeling like a "shock"? I hope I am making sense

Originally Posted by Chevaughn

So, should I constantly focus on this "anchor", or should I let my mind drift off, then use the anchor to get a sudden "shock" of awareness, similar to what is experienced if drifting off to sleep and someone in the same room speaks loudly, and I lose that "drifting off" and become conscious, almost feeling like a "shock"? I hope I am making sense

Your focus should be constant, but like I said, it is a passive thing. The most important thing is that you are relaxed enough to fall asleep.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Your focus should be constant, but like I said, it is a passive thing. The most important thing is that you are relaxed enough to fall asleep.

I am still not getting your point. Should I put all my focus on the anchor? When I do this, I find that I can't fall asleep.

Originally Posted by Chevaughn

I am still not getting your point. Should I put all my focus on the anchor? When I do this, I find that I can't fall asleep.

Basically (if I understand this correctly) the anchor should be something that will be at the back of your brain; you know it's there but you're not immensely focused on it. The goal should be to daydream, let your mind wander like it does every night but don't lose thought of the anchor. To be more specific using an example: You're on the computer focused on whatever it is you're doing (maybe you're posting here or watching youtube ) and you can hear the T.V. in the background (for this sake, it's in the same room). You don't actually know what's being broadcasted right now, you can't make out any dialog, but you can hear it. In fact for those of you who have a TV in your room, try putting the volume to a low setting, I do that a lot when I go for power naps - that inevitably turn into outright sleep sessions.

So the goal here is to keep the prefrontal cortex just barely functioning as you drift into the dream state. The pain idea is a great one and I'm certainly going to try it, but there are others too. Some of my family members snore and because our house has paper thin walls, I can hear them from across the hall. The problem I find is when I get to that drifting state, my hearing tends to shut off or I zone out completely (can't really tell which it is) And I find myself having a mini jolt back to a more conscious state or I'll pass out like a brick.

Just remember: "a light touch"; don't focus too hard, but just enough that you know it's there.....

Okay, here's how I personally do it. Over half of my lucids are WILDs, but saying that, I still haven't had that many lucids. I lay (however) relaxing my body. This is the key thing, relaxation. When you feel relaxed enough, put your attention into HI. And as FireBat said above, know your breathing (or whatever your anchor is) is there.
Attention - HI
Passive knowledge - your anchor (in my case, it's my breathing)

Originally Posted by Firebat11

And I find myself having a mini jolt back to a more conscious state or I'll pass out like a brick.

Is this "mini jolt" good, or should I not be drifting off too deeply as to get this "jolt"?

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Okay, here's how I personally do it. Over half of my lucids are WILDs, but saying that, I still haven't had that many lucids. I lay (however) relaxing my body. This is the key thing, relaxation. When you feel relaxed enough, put your attention into HI. And as FireBat said above, know your breathing (or whatever your anchor is) is there.
Attention - HI
Passive knowledge - your anchor (in my case, it's my breathing)

But if I put my attention into HI, would't that keep my mind too awake?

Originally Posted by Chevaughn

Is this "mini jolt" good, or should I not be drifting off too deeply as to get this "jolt"?

Personally I don't like it because then i have to get back to that sleepy state. It's not something that makes your body twitch, but more like a sudden realization of everything around you. Basically it just means you go backwards instead of forwards. I find it's very hard to keep the balance of staying just barely conscious.

Originally Posted by Firebat11

Personally I don't like it because then i have to get back to that sleepy state. It's not something that makes your body twitch, but more like a sudden realization of everything around you. Basically it just means you go backwards instead of forwards. I find it's very hard to keep the balance of staying just barely conscious.

Do you have any tips on maintaining this sleepy state while holding on to to thin line of awareness?