The goal of this thread is a I help you, you help me kinda gig. No one likes reading threads that start out " I need help!!!!*whines*". So here I stumbbled upon this last night for the first time and maybe you all have tried it but at least its new to me. So here we go.

Last night I was able to stay concious from a waking state through SP without any kind of WBTB, in fact I had what could be called a very brief WILD. I'll tell you how all this went down, hopefully you can all give it a try and we can all learn from this (hey thats forums are for !!!!!)

Basically I went through 2 stages of vibrations and SP and was having incredibly vivid Hypnagognic imagery. Not just bits and pieces of images or scenes but fully viewable enviroments with me in them. Just like little mini dreams, the longest ones lasting about 20 seconds or so. And there were tons of these. at least 3 dozen of them.

After watching these for a time I became unaware of my waking body in bed and was really only aware of the scenes I saw. So I decieded to try and WILD from this point. I focused of the scenes and tried to interact with them but I found that once I focused and forced myself into the scene more I got that stange feeling of double body. Being aware of both your dream body and your waking body at the same time. I thought at the time this was a good thing so I continued pushing myself into the dream. But as I did so the scenes no longer were of different places and events but rather came down to me, I got the feeling I was trying to FILD. ( if you know what I mean its a very specific feeling and very difficult to describe.

I got to a point in which I was still aware of both my bodies but was able to focus on my Dream Body and move its hand to perform a nose RC. But of course this movement was to quick and the RC told me I was awake....

THere are two things that I think played a important role in reaching this point.
1) I brushed my teeth and all that an hour before going to bed, so that the physical activity from doing so would not further wake my body.
2)With my body more asleep then my mind I was able to keep my mind active through SP. I wasn't focusing on LDing but rather just on keeping my mind going. A few times yelling to myself in my head. (AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!) sounds silly I know...

I think the point of failure here was trying to focus and control the Hypnogogic images and scenes. And it might do better to let myself being passively "lifted" into the dream.

So really the question is how can we turn this into a WILD without it falling apart?

If anyone has had a similar experience, wants to know more about how this happened, has advise or ANYTHING at all they would like to share please do!!!!