Stillness method not working

I read about one of the methods mentioned here, that one must lie still, and not move the body at all for twenty minutes or so. This will trick the body into drifting into sleep, while the mind is still awake. I tried this method, but I became extremely bored after 30 mins or so, I quit.:embarrassed:

I did experience the following, though. I felt as if my feet had disappeared (meaning there was no solid feeling), and my palms felt a tingling sensation. There were some minor sensations throughout the body, but these two experiences were more pronounced.

Can the experts tell me where I am going wrong, and how I can make adjustments so this technique can work?
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Same here. I felt all the loss of feeling. However, I am never able to view any hypnagogic images. I too get bored of it very quickly.

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Originally Posted by sunkenpirate

Same here. I felt all the loss of feeling. However, I am never able to view any hypnagogic images. I too get bored of it very quickly.

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Yeah, I understand how you feel. But I still feel this is a very good method, because it makes sense, and it's not as difficult as doing visualizations and all that. Besides, it helps keep you totally aware, that's why I liked it. But unfortunately, I am making no breakthrough.:?

Im not an expert but when i try to WILD I focus more onthe sensations of my body than trying to see HI, and it also helps to do a WBTB.

This is a very good tutorial on WILDshttp://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=53577

Same thing happened to me when I tried this technique...

Are you sure you're completely still? If I recall, I believe that your eyes must be still as well. They're probably the trickiest part, perhaps you should focus on something to keep them from wandering.

you should be more patient in your dreaming experiences(i like calling them that. even when u dont end up dreaming.) its not like staying still is THE secret technique that works everytime. you need to work at it, and work with these sensations as your body goes into sleep paralysis. think about deepening your level of relaxation while being a bystander to the sensations you experience as you fall asleep, and just letting nature work its magic sending you into the dream state.

when are you trying this technique? if it's before you go to bed I'm not sure if you'll get very good results. The best way to do this technique is to do it after you wake up in the night. You'll have to stay up for a certain amount of time so that you're not so tired that you will fall right back asleep without even doing the technique, but so that you're tired enough that you won't be awake for an hour before anything happens. It's different for everyone, so just try it for a while and figure out how long would be best for you to stay up.

yea lagunagirl is correct. if you havent ever completed a WILD, or if you arent really good at telling dream from reality and aren't that experienced, WILDing as you first go to sleep is nearly impossible. it ISNT, trust me, but WBTBing is much simpler to complete and gives you the same experience. if you can, when you wake up in the middle of the night, try not even opening your eyes or moving. this will send you into SP very quickly if you are succesful at not moving. then all you need to concentrate on is not letting your mind fall asleep. =]

Thanks 4 the advice. I'll try it tonight.
Sometimes, i'm awake for an hour and sometimes i can't seem to keep my mind awake for even a few minutes. How can i achieve a balance in this and keep my mind awake for the right amount of time?

Well in REM your eyes move a hell of a lot.
If anything I found the eye movement simulates the REM starting and helps get you there.
Just don't look at your eyelids. Look past them up about 30 degrees. Somehow i found that angle is a relaxing (non-awake position of our eyes).
I have often woken with this eye position. Now for example to illustrate my point....
Imaging you are on the beach looking straight at the sea just in front of you. This is like looking at your eye-lids.
Now....imagine looking to the horizon (where the sea meets the sky) and at the sky just above it.
This is what I mean...looking out and beyond. You will soon see past your eyelids and forget they are there.
Try it ...you will feel you transition sort of away from where you were. You can use any image that sends you to look far away.
This is just mine.
It does work.

its not about "lying still", its a mind-trip. Master Yourself.

I've adapted the technique slightly, and I find it works much better. What I do is use the technique up until the point where I feel tingly and start to see a bit of HI. Then I let go and fall asleep. So really I used just used the technique to get to sleep faster. BUT, what will often happen is I will wake up about a half hour later. At this point, it is very easy to get to SP.

So I guess I'm cheating, but why not work with the software you already have?

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Originally Posted by Metronome

its not about "lying still", its a mind-trip. Master Yourself.

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Wow. Thanks. With all that info Metro ... I am off to lucid dream...
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Originally Posted by DreamChaser

Wow. Thanks. With all that info Metro ... I am off to lucid dream...
:lol:

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if you feel you cant keep your mind awake, when your eyes are closed, before trying to uber-relax, try doing something that stimulates ur mind, and not body. for instance, work out a math problem. or sometimes what i do is remember everything that has happened to me in the past few days going backwards. that relaxes me too.. for example ill think- i just woke up to try to WBTB WILD. before that i was sleeping for about 6 hours. before that i was on dreamviews. before that i was coming home from the girls house. before that i was gettin some head. hahaha just a thought to try...

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Originally Posted by sunkenpirate

Thanks 4 the advice. I'll try it tonight.
Sometimes, i'm awake for an hour and sometimes i can't seem to keep my mind awake for even a few minutes. How can i achieve a balance in this and keep my mind awake for the right amount of time?

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what I do is the second I start to feel like I'm getting less groggy, I go back to sleep.

which in the middle of the night for me is about 30 seconds. In the morning when I actually have to wake up it seems like an hour or so. convenient, huh? :roll:

sorry btw. i keep on quoting the post i dont wanna quote... the math problem advice was for u sunkenpirate... loll