Thread: Is lucid dreaming just luck?

Unless your LD count in your sig is out of date than 50-50 means that you've tried twice? Once you have more and more they will come faster because you will learn to recognize that 'dream feeling'

oh yea my bad. ive had 4 but they just seem random. sorry

think of a basic skill...il say learning to walk.

You couldnt instantly do it. It had to be learnt. and you couldnt succeed everytime though. It was not luck, merely a balance of variables. Things you did one time that worked...you repeated (maybe subconsciously ), until you find those variables 100% of the time.

With dreaming...its not luck. Just experience. If it was luck...an LD natural could have a year without any Lucid dreams because there would be some force flipping a coin everytime you dreamt

No, its just repetition, fine tuning and letting yourself get used to the concept.

If I may use a lame metaphor...

Lets say you go to a shooting range and shoot at a target.
At first you can only hit it 50% of the time. Does that mean it's completely luck? Realistically one would just assume that you haven't gotten good enough yet. Keep going to the range and eventually you would get a better feel for it and would start hitting the target 70, 80, 90% of the time. You always have a chance of missing, but it would be wrong to claim it's all based on luck.

Grunkie7, that metaphor wasn't lame at it.. in fact, it was right on target!

So glad to hear someone who has the same concern as I do.

I havn't gotten passed the luck stage very often on most techniques, but I will tell you, you do reach a stage with some techniques where it feels that they increase in frequencey the more you do them successful, for instence I used to do wbtb in combination with a strict dream journal, and that would increase over time, but it sometimes seemed to decrease for no reason I could tell, similer with deild I had a week were I had like 9 deilds and then just stopped having them after I got just alittle lazy. If I really wanted to have as much lucid dreams as I could I'd do wbtb, deild, and dream journaling all at once, and probably make it all work out with a good amount of lds each week but I'm more interested in lds on command.

I'm currently working on wild, to see if I can really find a method that does not have to be based on luck, so far I keep getting turned in the direction of tactile visualisation techniqes which seem to improve, but it's hard to tell with the slowness in which they develope, as far as I can tell it does improve. I won't stop for at least another few months or I seriously don't see any improvement, so I'll beable to post if I succeed and this type of method will be confirmed by me to offer steady improvement.

I think some types of LD's are mostly just luck. DILD's just seem to happen. There are a few things you can do to make them more likely, but whether or not you have one any particular night does seem to be based a lot on luck. I've tried duplicating exactly what I did when I had a DILD one night, and couldn't replicate it. There's too many variables to control, such as your state of mind and your experiences throughout the day over which you have no control.

I think other techniques like WILD or DEILD are more than luck and really can be exploited to have LD's on command. I haven't gotten good enough yet to do that, but I believe it's possible.

Originally Posted by Clairity

Grunkie7, that metaphor wasn't lame at it.. in fact, it was right on target!

Well, most of My DILD's are not luck. Though I do get Lucky with just A completely random reality check once in a while. (But not often.) I have to work hard at training my mind to notice that I'm dreaming. And when I get Lucid, it's a direct result of the hard work I put into it. Not much luck involved at all for me.

ninja9578 hahaha.

also the post above me: how do you train yourself to be able to tell your lucid dreaming, and how long did it take.

last question. it seems like WILD is hard to perfect in your own way, but after a few months of testing it would be the best chance?

Last week I tried WILD for the first time seriously (There were some random attempts before but I don't really count them):
The first night I came really close, the second night I had success and the third night I had success as well. Since then I've been trying this technique every night in exactly the same way and I haven't had one WILD!

I think at the beginning it has to do a lot with luck but by becoming better your chances to have an LD rise! There's not a perfect formula which guarantees you to make some of these methods work...But hey, the more you try, the higher are the chances to have success

Originally Posted by hootman

ninja9578 hahaha.

also the post above me: how do you train yourself to be able to tell your lucid dreaming, and how long did it take.

last question. it seems like WILD is hard to perfect in your own way, but after a few months of testing it would be the best chance?

Here is a link to the last post I made trying to answer that question.
http;//www.dreamviews.com/community/showpost.php?p=706298&postcount=5


Here is a link to a longer post in my journal, where I try to describe how I induce Lucids.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...0&postcount=73

I actually do a combination of things. So it's hard for me to put words to everything exactly. But that's the basic outline.

So far this year, using my technique, I've induced 14 DILDS that I consider countable. There would be more. Except getting sick caused me to lose some recall and have a bit of a dry spell. It's taken me nearly a month to recover.

In the last three nights I've recognized two dreamsigns, and had one spontaneous Lucid. And had a couple other close calls. Nearly completed the Lucid task last night.

Not trying to brag or anything like that. Just trying to teach by example.

As far as how long it takes, that depends a lot on the individual, and how much motivation and determination a person brings into it. It could take a day, or a couple months to start getting things rolling.

And yeah, If you can get good at WILDing that's great! I personally prefer DILDing though. Because when I get Lucid after the dream is already going, the dream is a lot more stable. I wake up way to easy from WILD's. But That's just me. I still have a lot of fun trying to WILD anyway. I never count my short little WILDs that I always wake up from right away.

I would suggest trying to learn to do both. That way when your not WILDing your DILDing. To be good at both would be ideal.

Let me know if you have any other questions about what I do.

Luck plays a great part in it. There are many things beyond your control, such as how active your mind is when you sleep, or how soundly your partner sleeps beside you.

HOWEVER, LD is not Las Vegas, you can effect the odds by practice and motivation!

Bear guy (hah sorry I forgot your name--bear avatar) I read the DILD link and I thought it was great. I will try that. I have a question, I have been waking up, drinking chocolate milk, reading seekers WILD tutorial, then trying to WILD. I would wake up remembering a semi-lucid dream, lying still, but not remembering going straight from body awake to body asleep. I have never experienced SP or HI, so I was just wondering: do people forget going straight from waking life to lucid or am I just doing a WBTB?

Thank you Caradon! Sounds hard but I'm sure this could help!

Originally Posted by hootman

Bear guy (hah sorry I forgot your name--bear avatar) I read the DILD link and I thought it was great. I will try that. I have a question, I have been waking up, drinking chocolate milk, reading seekers WILD tutorial, then trying to WILD. I would wake up remembering a semi-lucid dream, lying still, but not remembering going straight from body awake to body asleep. I have never experienced SP or HI, so I was just wondering: do people forget going straight from waking life to lucid or am I just doing a WBTB?

Thanks.
Bear guy works lol. I have those pictures because I get a lot of animal attack dreams. And a lot of times there are bears in my dreams.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But I think what your saying is that you tried to WILD, and you entered the dream without Lucidity. That can happen. It happens to me sometimes. With practice you should be able to enter the dream fully Lucid. Just keep trying.

I never really experience sp either. I usually directly enter the dream. Occasionally I'll experience a few strange sensations, But nothing as dramatic as some people describe.

Originally Posted by Träumer

Thank you Caradon! Sounds hard but I'm sure this could help!

Your Welcome.

I'm glad the both of you found that helpful. Yeah, it is a lot of work trying to maintain that kind of focus. But if you are determined to have a lot of Lucids, it's effective.

Let me know how it goes guys. I would be interested in reading about your experiences.

Hey Caradon, i've been trying the DILD thing for a few days now. I dont think it works for me...or it could be that I don't keep a dream journal... do DJ's really help that much?

The thing about Lucid Dreaming, is that it takes both persistence and patience. It can take a while. You can't just try it for a couple of days and then decide it's not working.

A lot of times what happens.(and it's happened to me a few times as well.)
Is a person will try and try, for the longest time with no results. then decide they can't do it and give up. Then on that night, after giving up, They will get Lucid!

So for this reason, I would recommend being very motivated and focused for a week or two. And if you don't get any results in that time. stop thinking about it for a day. And see if that triggers a Lucid.

There has been times, when it has taken me nearly two months of intense mental focusing, to end a bad dry spell. You just have to keep at it until it works, because it will eventually.

And yes, you should start a journal. It helps in a lot of ways. It helps with recall for one. Because making your dreams important enough to write down, seems to trigger something in your subconscious that enables you to remember more dreams, more clearly.

It also helps you to find more recurring dreamsigns. And dedicating yourself to writing your dreams down everyday, helps set your intentions, and helps motivate you. Besides, it's always fun to look back in your journal over time. And remember some dreams you had forgotten all about.

You should start one here on the forum. It makes it more fun when your sharing dreams with others.

I'd say that 50-50 is statistically signifigant and much more than luck, especially with only 8 attempts.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

I'd say that 50-50 is statistically signifigant and much more than luck, especially with only 8 attempts.

Much more than 8 attemps, I've gotten lucid a few times but all of them were short and not very lucid. I've tried probaby around 50 (but a lot of them weren't really trying.