LD Issues.....

[Kaffo]

Hello again people, I'm finding that I am having issues with LDing, for starters RCs don't seem to go well with my subconscious and when I am sleeping RC's just don't happen, I even tried to put a voice on my i pod repeating "I will remember to do my reality checks", when I attempt WILDs I tend to find my mind suddenly giving up and falling asleep or trying so had I wake up :/ I think I need someone to give me a few hints and tips here please as it would be very nice to have some nice people pushing me in the right direction I was considering getting adopted but sadly school make it had to get up at nights and I feel it would be a slight waste of one of your good peoples time, so I thought I'd ask here instead Thanks in advance!

[adraw]

Lucid dreaming is all about what you make it. You dont have to have lucid dreams inmediately. Maybe you should concentrate on recall. Or something different. Developing support skills can help to. You can intensify your tries, when you have time.

[Kaffo]

Well I have been developing my dream recall before I joined the fourms, don't let my join date fool ya I've been doing recall for weeks and I only decided earlier in the week that I thought I was ready to start atempting so I joined the fourms and read a few techs and tried a few that I thought would fit me, I woke up this morning at 4 am to try a WILD but I fell asleep too soon :s, but no harm done I fell asleep too quickley Anyway thanks for replying

[adraw]

Well I have been developing my dream recall before I joined the fourms, don't let my join date fool ya I've been doing recall for weeks and I only decided earlier in the week that I thought I was ready to start atempting so I joined the fourms and read a few techs and tried a few that I thought would fit me, I woke up this morning at 4 am to try a WILD but I fell asleep too soon :s, but no harm done I fell asleep too quickley Anyway thanks for replying Actually. Why did you choose to try one of the hardest techniques. You will be dissapointed really soon. And dissapointment is what you really dont need now. If You really wanna choose WILD, be sure you have the prerequisites for it.

[Kaffo]

The reason I chose to WILD is because I thought it would be the best for me, it does require alot of work and its very hard so I now reliese that I should just keep trying instead of moaning So for now I shall shut up untill mabey a month or something and I'll cheak back then. Mind you I did also try FILD but meh I'll stick to what I said up there

[analyst]

Hi Kaffo. Although I am a beginner with LDing, I found some methods that did work for me and thought I'd share. I've been recalling and journaling since 1/6/08 and LDing since 1/27/08. I really wouldn't want you to feel a sense defeat so soon! Since originally (for a month or so) RCing wasn't the easiest thing to convince myself to do within my dreams, I always felt that DILD (which specifically relies on a decent dose of RC training) wasn't the best technique for me. In some way, I felt the training for constant RCing was the "hardest technique", and WILDing was something which seemed to suit me. Of course I still trained with RCing throughout the day and would recommend you to continue on this path, but wouldn't want you to think that WILDing is just "too difficult for a newbie". I would encourage you on all possible paths, suffice you think you aren't getting overloaded and unfocused (which truly only you will know). That said, I find your reaction to WILDing quite similar to mine, and I believe for me, it had a lot to do with the type of sleeper I generally am. For most of my life, I always felt good that I would never have a hard time sleeping, and even when awaking in the night, I always fell back to sleep easily. When attempting a WILD (being this type of sleeper), I find that I have to get my mind conscious over the course of 30 minutes or so. For me, I find any less time than this just doesn't cut it, and I fall back asleep. As other threads here have attested, try items like using the bathroom, eating food, even a light stretching routine or walking around inside or out to get "awake" enough for the WILD try. In some ways I was lucky in that after I read Seeker's 5 Phases of WILD I had my first LD which was a WILD. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ead.php?t=9806 I think Phase 2, as described by him, is a phase that possibly most aren't trying to hone, and therefore either float too much in awareness or H.I. and give up, or fall asleep too readily. Just remember this one thing, suggestions for becoming aware or relaxed are just that, suggestions -- and each person must find what works for them. There are many excellent tutorials on here for WILDing (and other techs!). If you haven't done so, I would suggest reading almost any tutorial or guide written by BillyBob and Clairity, as they have also been extremely helpful for honing the techs for me. Last thought -- for me, I can "hover" for up to 20-40 mins in H.I. / S.P. at times and still just fall asleep after it (frustration!!!), and I see this as *still* not being aware enough... *for me*. =) Once you find the methods that give you a "doorway" into LDs, I think you will also find other techs that work (success begets more success!) even if they are the exact same techs which didn't work at first... and your techs will work better (sometimes having WILDs as soon as 5-10 minutes in). Stay positive!!! ... and good luck!