Thread: WILD without wbtb?

Yes it is possible to do it before going to bed at night or during the day without having taken a nap. Most people just find it easier to use the WBTB method because it makes it easier to get into the WILD state

Originally Posted by Apfelpfankuchen

Yes it is possible to do it before going to bed at night or during the day without having taken a nap. Most people just find it easier to use the WBTB method because it makes it easier to get into the WILD state

The problems with WBTB are as follows:

1. People may think it's a waste of time.
2. It can make you not sleep - The alarm clock seeks your attention.
3. People do not understand fully what they have to do.
4. People do not understand fully how long they should spend awake.
5. Loss of sleep.

Basically people aren't exactly right if they're saying WBTB's no problem at all. Because really - It's a big thing. People just say it's easy because they're experienced at it, not trained, but experienced, meaning they know how it's done. Other people, like me, have a problem with it. I was up untill 7.30 am. Originally I was meant to go to bed at 2:30 am but my alarm kept me focussed and extremely uncomfortable. I didn't feel tired at all.

I want everyone to remember this when they try WBTB.

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

The problems with WBTB are as follows:

1. People may think it's a waste of time.
2. It can make you not sleep - The alarm clock seeks your attention.
3. People do not understand fully what they have to do.
4. People do not understand fully how long they should spend awake.
5. Loss of sleep.

Basically people aren't exactly right if they're saying WBTB's no problem at all. Because really - It's a big thing. People just say it's easy because they're experienced at it, not trained, but experienced, meaning they know how it's done. Other people, like me, have a problem with it. I was up untill 7.30 am. Originally I was meant to go to bed at 2:30 am but my alarm kept me focussed and extremely uncomfortable. I didn't feel tired at all.

I want everyone to remember this when they try WBTB.

Never said I was experienced or the like. Just saying that the majority OF the people on this site would agree that a WILD is more easily achieved combined with the WBTB technique. Not having completed one myself, I agree with what you have to say about it, not knowing how long to stay awake for is really a big thing because it's different for everybody and there isin't a set time that works universally for everyone

Hence my first problem with Don Parker's free course (times), but apparently you don't have to be on at the same time as him!

Anyway, yeah. I didn't say you said you were experienced. I was just talking about the elites like Adam (he wrote a routine technique) who make it out to you that it's easy.

aaaah yes adam heh

are you going through with that program?

Might ask if I can join in - Shame I can't talk to the whole course group in Second Life though. Unless I give myself a dose of insomnia.

Originally Posted by Jdeadevil

Might ask if I can join in - Shame I can't talk to the whole course group in Second Life though. Unless I give myself a dose of insomnia.

haha yes true, are you actually going to buy the book though? I think i'll just go through the practices with them, that's it

To be honest I don't really want to buy anything either.

ok, thx for answers... the problem is... the right time for wbtb is really small and it often happens, that I only wake up for a second and then i'm asleep again. IUt would be much better if I could chose when I have a good feeling about a WILD.

Just now I tried one... and it went really good... but somehow I knew I was not tired enough, but I also had the feeling if someone would help me somehow... I could take the next step... but on my own I only tried some tricks I know. In the end I'm here again... without an LD.