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Hey everyone,
First off, this is not spam; it is a legitimate, not-for-profit, idea I have to help, inspire and coach each other through a guided, structured system to induce at will lucid dreams.
I am inviting anyone interested in partaking in a disciplined online course; the goal is to have lucid dreams whenever you want, during sleep.
Be well,
Don Parker
http://astralsource.com/don_bw.jpg
[email protected]
what does anything about lucid dreaming has to do wit war craft?
"We will also be using the online game World of Warcraft as a teaching tool. "
"http://www.astralsource.com/ld.html"
Perhaps wow will be used as a meeting place or something like that :)
Man, your car took a ramming, dude. Glad you got out of that in one peice ;)
Intriguing. But the strict schedule turns me (and probably every other college kid) off.
May i ask what your near death experience was?
World of Warcraft is such a colorful, unreal fantasy setting; it's perfect for doing reality checks.
Also, working together as a team is a benefit.
And to top it all off, it's fun!
Don
This all looks very promising and it really makes me want to send you an e-mail, the problem is that I can't have a strict schedule right now and that I tend to avoid WoW to prevent addiction. :?
Yeah -- how's the schedule supposed to work out? What do you mean by "strict"?
I am creating a "strict" study regime for those wanting to commit to a disciplined structure. I have noticed that keeping a dream journal, noticing dream signs and doing reality checks on a regular basis increases the number of lucid dreams I have. When I fail to be consistent, the number of my lucid dreams drops significantly. Therefore I am starting a strict routine January 1st, 2008 and anyone interested in joining me are welcome.
Don
“Strict” means very structured. I will be using several sources as inspiration, particularly the study of Stephan LaBerge’s book Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. We will all be held accountable to each other. This will inspire each participant to stay on top of the study.Quote:
Originally Posted by b12
The online course will last for 90 days. It will be split up into weekly goals, accomplished by following a daily structure. Each day will demand a short period of time; usually a few minutes here and there will be all that is required. Consistency is the key to success with this online course.
We will cover all the basics, starting from keeping a dream journal. This will be perfect for beginners and a terrific review for people who want to have more consistent lucid dreams.
Don
Hey Kraik,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraik
I know about addiction to World of Warcraft; been there. We will only be setting up an hour or two, here and there, for structured play together as a group. It will not be vital that you join the game play in order to complete the course. The online game will be extracurricular.
As for the time involved for the entire online course, it will only require a few minutes here and there during the day but will be CONSISTENT. That is the key!
Don
I'm interested, but I'm not about to start paying for a WoW account just for this. So I can't be involved if I don't play WoW?
Hey B12,Quote:
Originally Posted by b12
My near-death experience:
I do not recall the head-on crash at all. I only have the memory of a scene. The scene was so rich in color and detail, and so profound, that is stuck with me for weeks after the accident. I saw a line of cars to my left, and another row of cars to my right. All the cars were stopped, one behind the other. I had no focus or awareness of the crash scene at all. It was a peaceful experience. The 360 degree vision is not unlike other stories of near-death experiences.
I am convinced that my awareness or consciousness that is housed within my physical body was given the immediate order to vacate. I believe that this is the body/mind/spirit system’s way of dealing with physical death. It allows for the expulsion of the subtle energy body prior to the impact of death. In the same way, the physical body releases certain chemicals to deal with crisis and pain to the physical body. Shock is also used as a mechanism for surviving trauma, as is erased memory of the event.
These are merely my personal thoughts and opinions on the subject.
Don
Hey Kushna,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed
As I've stated in another post, being willing to play World of Warcraft will not be vital to finishing the course; only optional.
Don
Then sign me up!
Hey Kushna,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed
Someone else signed up earlier on today, so with you in the game, that makes two.
Please telephone me at 250.808.0986 or email me:
[email protected]
I will need a bit of information from you to establish communication.
Glad you are aboard!
Don
:? I'm starting to get the idea in my head, but I'm not quite sure.
It sounds pretty cool, but Im thinking only a few people will be ready and active enough to do this kind of commitment.
Forgotten~
Hey Forgotten,Quote:
Originally Posted by ForgottenRemembrance
Saying YES to a structure, with other humans who have the same goal, is tantamount to saying "I want to have lucid dreams at will!"
Go for it!
Don
Then I think that I will sign up, let me think a while about it though.
"Take massive action."Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraik
Anthony Robbins
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloweenfirecracker
Lol! Look @ his face! It's all serious!!!!
HAHAHA!!!!!!
Oh, OK. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by halloweenfirecracker
British sense of humor; gotta love it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jdeadevil
:banana:
Oh no he's comin' on to me!
Run Jdeadevil Run!
*Runs through the forest as fast as he can!*
Update:
The course will now begin February 1st, 2008
Don
I might be in on this.
I'm not touching WoW, but I have other online games with surreal scenery.
Quote:
Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration
Why not WoW? What other games would you recommend?
Not WoW so I don't have to pay a monthly fee and get addicted to some mainstream MMO (especilly when there are better ones out there...). I'm talking strictly about myself here, so feel free to train via WoW for those receptive to that idea. I can get as much out of it as I can.
This sounds really interesting. I just got LaBerge's book Exploring the World Of Lucid Dreaming (no CD though) and I do see this as a huge opportunity to improve Lucid Dreaming at will. I'm considering to attend, but before I really can choose whether or not to do it I need to ask a couple of questions.
Approximately how much time per day would you have to spend on the online course?
As far as I can see you need to own LaBerge's book (and possibly to play WoW) to be able to attend, am I right?
These are the questions I can think of right now.
Best regards,
DreamerRoss
If people have issues with monthly subscriptions, there are plenty of good looking Free MMOs out there. If not, I'm pretty sure GuildWars doesn't have a monthly fee.Quote:
Originally Posted by halloweenfirecracker
I reckon he's here to commit evil acts! *Points knife*
Urgh, Jdea, don't bully the poor guy.
I mean, look at his face.
http://astralsource.com/don_bw.jpg
Do you want to mess with this guy? Look at him. He's serious about lucid dreaming.
LUCID DREAMING, SERIOUS STUFF
He'd dream pwn you.
Actually he does look a bit like a pro. Hold on he's on about lucid dreaming? I thought he was on about some invention of his. But whatever.
But I saw him talking about online gaming before!
...how much of this thread did you lower yourself to reading before filling it with mindless drivel?
...Merry Christmas Eve, by the way. :)
Well I did read it, but then my mind started going "Stay away from the buisness man" and I freaked out in my own little way. You should of seen me last night laughing like a mad man.
Merry christmas-eve Sindred! ;)
Hey DreamerRoss,Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamerRoss
The daily time requirement will not be demanding. There will be reading tasks each week, which will work out to a few minutes a day. Also, daily exercises; a few minutes per day in total. The main thing is CONSISTENCY and accountability to the group. It's about making a commitment and seeing it through.
Don
I'm actually curious whether you will post anything besides on this thread, which is not about DreamViews.com at all.
Hi everyone,
Just thought I should tell you all a little bit about myself.
I am 44 years old. I have been a professional magician for the majority of my life, starting with my first paid show at age 13.
I am also a motivational speaker. I understand the foundational concepts behind success and the power of the mind in relation to achieving goals. I have also conducted many workshops on various subjects over the years.
I am applying all that I know to the subject of lucid dreaming. I believe that I will be able to offer value to all who choose to participate.
Don
You're a magican? What kind of stuff do you do?"I will steal all your members" (Joke)
So you do stuff like cutting people in half and stuff?
Attention: Gamers,
I'm so grateful to those who have voiced their thoughts about WoW (World of Warcraft).
I would like some input from all of you about using Guild Wars instead. This game has no monthly subscription and has a dream-like atmosphere; perfect for our purposes.
Don
You should really play Command And Conquer 3.... That's a great game
I liek Age of Empires.
Doo you liek Age of Empires, Don?
Guild wars is good...
For people with internet speed above 24k, a spare 35 bucks for the game and a supportive graphics card :P
I'm out either way man. But that's fine.
Don, my friend Strinky has made a picture of you. It's in my signiture. :)
We took a beautiful man who only wanted to improve the world with his legitimate, non-profit methods for lucid dreaming and we raped his principles with edited photos.
For shame, Jdea, for shame.
Lol shhhutttupppp
On-topic, please.
Question: Will you pay for the games so we can join this online course?
You had me at "this is not an advertisement." You lost me at "but you need to buy and subscribe to World of Warcraft in order to join."
Haha. He just wants you in his party so's you can pwn some n00bs together, you know? :)
Seems impossible to join, for stuff like that.
I'm guessing you want a game with a 3D Fantasy environment. There are plenty of free MMOs that you don't need to buy. I did some research.
Here are a bunch. This site also has links to all sorts of MMOs.
I feel ashamed that DreamViews is full of cheap bastards like JD.
Whatever - If you were talking about before, Sindred was doing it to. He's just acting normal so he wont get punched, thank you much Sindred follower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed
And I'm ashamed of Sindred too. Happy? Now go get laid.
Well, besides the last sentance I suppose it's fair. Just know that he did it aswell.
I know you just said you were joking but let me explain a few things on what he just did there. Right, before, as a joke. I private messaged Sindred (regretted) and told him about this. He said back in reply "Put it in your avatar and spam it over the forum, 'Viva La' style" so I thought I'd do it for a laugh. I made that thread called 'Please love this man', soon to find out that Sindred made another thread part similir. So I see what people think of that picture I made (Inverted colour, says 'Love' on it). Post it about, and then he turns moronic and gives me the "I am mature now, Jdeadevil stop being childish". So basically he's the one who gave me the idea to start with. So I find it a rather stupid counter attack to call me a cheap bastard.
But, as I read on that you're joking about it. So it's all cool.
So if anyone else feels like pissing on me, just know that if I'm not such a bastard.
Okay folks. Here goes...
I'm leaning toward Guild Wars for a few reasons. First, it has no monthly subscription fee. Second, it has built-in voice communication; one of the advertisements I saw on EBgames.com shows the game title with a headset/mic included as a bonus. The final reason I think I’m going to choose Guild Wars is the feedback I’ve been receiving.
Please understand that buying and playing the game is NOT necessary to complete the online lucid dreaming course I will be conducting. It’s just a fun way to communicate and the fantasy environment is good for doing reality checks.
The only required cost will be to get a hold of the book Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming. It can be purchased, used, on Amazon.com for $3.61. I think that is a reasonable investment for a 90 course on lucid dreaming.
The type of magic I do is platform and close-up. I don't do stage illusions.
I love the photo adaptations – Merry Christmas to you too!
Don
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloweenfirecracker
Hello Don, your course could potentially help us. Sign me up, I'm looking forward to this free course. :)
I shot you an email, Don. I'm joining, i've got no problem with it. :)
Guild Wars is cool, i'm not positive if i'd participate though -- money's a problem with me :-P
You should pick a version of GW though, there's a bunch. I'd say just the original.
Hey B12,
I replied to your email you sent me. Glad to see people jumping on board. I think we're up to half a dozen now!
I think it's going to be Guild Wars. The original version. I'll also get a server for voice communication. I have to investigate that a bit more. It will be a blast.
I believe - and it has worked for me - that while inside a fantasy setting, like WoW or Guild Wars, one is living in a type of unreal dream world. Asking yourself, "Am I dreaming?" while in essence, living within a dream, is a great way to answer with a positive, "Yes, I'm dreaming; I am lucid!"
That's my take on it. Also, we will all be able to chat and share how the week of practice sessions have been going. The message board will help with group networking throughout each week too.
I am really looking forward to all the background data everyone will be bringing with them. We will all learn from each other.
Be well,
Don
Hi there.
Welcome to Dream Views and might I ask why you are recruiting members here? Is this the only place you're trying to gather participants or are you trolling all dream sites?
World of Warcraft is a retarded fucking knock off of the best game ever, just with updated graphics...The next MMO that has even better graphics will take its place soon enough.
EQ is way better.
He hasn't contacted the staff to ask their permission to do this before introducing it to the community? :hrm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vex Kitten
I apologize for the inconvenience. The thread has been restored by the Admins, though it has been moved to Attaining Lucidity, as you can tell :P
Don now has the green light to continue with this. Go nuts guys! :D
Hi Don,
I'm interested in your group, but what the heck, I'm interested in everything! I look forward to seeing your program in action. I've got to warn you though, I'm pretty skeptical about most things like OBE, skeptical but open minded, so you're going to have to convince me. =P
Has anyone spoken to you about posting a reciprocal link in your lucid dreaming section for Dreamviews?
I showed him a nice picture I made, it was inverted colours and said "Love" on it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker
He replied, and he thought I was lucky to be in England, which I am, to be truthfull.
Hi Don,
I sent you an email because I'm also interested in your course.
I've been interested in out of body travel for over 30 years now, but have been a lot less successful at it than I would have hoped to be.
Maybe making a commitment like this and having a support group will help.
I read an interesting principle in a book by Sylvan Muldoon about 30 years ago concerning reacting to negative situations and negative people in positive ways in order to raise ones own vibrations which then makes it easier to exit the body.
There sure has been a lot of opportunity to do that in this thread hasn't there?
I commend you for your attitude and your offer to help.
Hey Seeker,Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker
Just email me to join.
Don
Hey everyone,Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
I now have official permission to discuss the Buddy System on this forum.
Don
I am certainly going to make a link to Dreamviews.com as soon as I get back home after the holidays. Turkey first, then HTML. Must keep my priorities straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker
Don
Make a link to my profile.
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloweenfirecracker
E-mail coming as soon as I can get the problems straightened out with my e-mail :(
Guys, really, look at all the shit we're giving Don (not in a hurtful way) and he's taking it as it should be -- with humor!
I respect that, it shows me that we've got a mature guy trying to lead a program that'll help whoever's involved. Can't wait for it. :)
Howdy Don,
I'm far from a believer in OBE NDE and any of the other illogical things out there, buuuuut I also believe that everything should be studied from an objective view, therefore I'm willing to try to contribute to your goals with an open mind.
Hey all,
Can I ask what level this is aimed at?
I've had one induced lucid dream before but this was a looong time ago ~10 years. I kinda dropped it all after achieving that, now over the last month or so I seem to have become interested in all this again. Anyway effectively I think I should be considered a beginner to LD, is this course open to me?
He has passed the test. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by b12
Very good.
Hi Hesiod,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hesiod
YES, this course is perfect for beginners. It is also good for people who have had sporatic success, but want more regular lucid dreams. And for those who have regular lucid dreams who want to have the at will, any time they choose, while sleeping. Go over the basics can sometimes be very useful.
Look forward to see you join.
Don
Reminds of the Animatrix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siиdяed
Guess I need a clarification. Is this only for your lucid dreaming program or are you also offering the OBE one?
LD, I've got covered, it's OBE that I'm interested in pursuing.
Seeker, you've posted X10 posts!
Yeah, I hit submit and something weird happened O_o
That's where the software kicks in for me. :D
Hi Seeker,Quote:
Originally Posted by Seeker
If you are comfortable with the LD thing then I suggest you join the LD group so you can be of support to people who are very green.
Also, we will be covering how to go from a LD to an OBE in the LD course.
Yes, please join the OBE course. My email is:
[email protected]
Don
i sent u an email , im interested in joining but wont be participating in the game sesssions
Yo! Halloween, might I recommend changing your video game to second life?
It is free, and has way more to it than WoW could ever offer. You can even build your own world. It is far more like a dream than WoW could ever be, and you can also fly...well I don't think of it as flying as more of a means to get around, but it is flying and looks like flying, so its all good.
You can even customise your charectors to look just like you.
I used to have an account...I probably still do somewhere lol. I wouldn't mind playing that again hehe.
I checked it out and it's cool. I'm still leaning toward Guild Wars. Too many negative inputs about WoW.
Don
Hey halloween,
I was just wondering if knightlight was planning to take part in the course? And also how are you planning to work around time differences? does the course require members to be on at the same time or simply communicate through email at the next available opportunity?
Thanks
RooJ
Hey RooJ,Quote:
Originally Posted by RooJ
I've been in contact with knightlight lately but we did not discuss his moderater status. I'll bring it up next time I chat to him.
As for the time differences, it will only matter with the online gaming part of the course, which is optional. We'll figure it out for international gamers and also factor in the West coast East coast time differences.
The majority of the course will be monitored via a message board system. This way everyone can post and read updates at their own pace. Email will also be involved as will phone conversations using Skype for those wanting to talk with other members of the group personally. The amount of contact information each member shares with the group is optional. We will also have conference call capabilities for the whole group to talk at once, like a teleseminar, using the Guild Wars game. We'll create a special Hall for members only. I'm looking forward to that part of the course because I love playing online games and see the potential for Guild Wars to help with the investigation of Lucid Dreaming.
Be well,
Don
Second life is laggy and full of porn. But it's free.
:-\
I play the 2D, colorful MMORPG called NexusTK. I'll follow the course as best I can via that.
This sounds really promising. And it includes Guild Wars...hmm....
I'm more intrested in the Lding part, I've never had too much interest in
OBE's.
As of today we have 15 registered members!
The LD Online Course will now begin Tuesday, January 15th, 2008.
There's still room for more...
Don
I'm joining ;)
You have to register on the message board first at http://www.astralsource.com before I can give you special permissions to the Members Only Access section called, "Online Course."Quote:
Originally Posted by Apfelpfankuchen
Don
Hey,
So I just checked out Second Life in detail. I really think it's the ticket. For many reasons.
First, Guild Wars or WoW cost $30 minimum. SL if free!
Second, you can fly in SL! Very cool...
Third, there already exists a few small groups of LD and OBE members. So far I have not seen a "space" where people interested in these subjects can meet and chat using their headset/mic while seeing each other's avatars. I spoke to one member of the Astral Projection group and he said he is working on building such a place. I am now beginning to support him in any way I can. Once an actual virtual space is created we could all spread the word via our contacts. The population could grow in a significant way.
I would like some feedback from people reading this thread. Is www.SecondLife.com the answer?
Don
I think it is, its a pretty cool thing =). But I'm a little bias hehe.
Although the system Req. my cause a bit of a problem for dial up users.
Internet Connection*: Cable or DSL
Operating System: 2000, XP, or Vista
Computer Processor: 800 MHz Pentium III or Athlon, or better
Computer Memory: 512 MB or more
Video/Graphics Card for XP/2000**:
nVidia GeForce 2, GeForce 4 MX or better
OR ATI Radeon 8500, 9250 or better
OR 945 chipset
Video/Graphics Card for Vista (requires latest drivers)**:
nVidia GeForce 6600 or better
OR ATI Radeon 9500 or better
OR 945 chipset
I think anyone who still has dial up deserves eternal punishment in hell, among other things. Besides, would dialup users even be able to use GuildWars anyways?
we could be using SL and could be talking using a program called Vent. People use it all the time in MMORPG's whed doing raids where you need to talk to a lot of people
Uh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed
I have dial up-- can't run guild wars. Will find my own way to participate in this or so help me I will take out all my anger on you, Kushna.
I've checked out Second Life. Seems good. Perfect for our uses, especially.
There is already a chat system built into SL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apfelpfankuchen
There would be no need to try and use other systems, vent is actually very complicated, however it is free, TeamSpeak would be better, and if you run off of someone's actual computer it is free (basically someones computer is the server) but it can also be not free, and be used on the home server.
It takes a while to get used to the system's directional uses, but once you do it gets pretty fun, if you can find places to hang out hehe.
I really want to learn how to build on their and write scripts, but it was so complicated without trying to read the guides lol I gave up.
:rolllaugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed
Edit: Firecracker, I checked Second Life out...seems much better than the previous game. (Especially the ability to fly, which scored major points in my book :cooler:)
Hey everyone,
Thanks so much for your input. I really appreciate it. I have decided to offer 3 ways for Live Communication between group members.
1. Teleseminar, conference calling, option via telephone.
2. Guild Wars using headset/mic
3. Second Life using headset/mic
All of these will be optional; one can still complete the OBE or LD course without participating in Live Communication.
There will be a specific hour chosen each week for each of the above methods.
What thinkest thou?
Don
:boogie:
As long as there's a "live chat" or IRC channel option then it'll be fine for me (I don't speak English). :?
And just think - He posted all thirty posts on this thread. :lol:
I just sent you an Email, hopefully I'll be able to get SL to work with Vista.
My vote is for the 3rd option, btw...does it cost money to talk via headset/mic in SL?Quote:
Originally Posted by halloweenfirecracker
Nope, unless you considered buying a mic or headset at a store =PQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
Don't worry. I've got it working on VistaQuote:
Originally Posted by Mman19
Interesting stuff....... Count me in, the be7ond is what i target :)
also i vote for the 3. Second Life using headset/mic , since i dont have any games.
This sounds promising, worth to explore.
When is it we are starting?
Friday, January 1st is the start date.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandform
Don
Do you mean February? Cause I don't think there was a Friday on the 1st of January.Quote:
Originally Posted by halloweenfirecracker
(btw the stuff i'm most interested in is the OBE and things related to to it hehe, would be neat to see what it actually involves.)
The cut-off date for signing up for the 60 day Online Lucid Dreaming Course is Sunday, January 13th, 2008 – there are currently over 25 people signed up.
The next start date is tentatively set for April 1st, 2008.
Don
[email protected]
Ah, second life. It's free, so that might be a good option instead of GW.
"I signed up for Second Life about a year ago. Back then, my life was so great that I literally wanted a second one. Absolutely everything was the same...except I could fly."
Okay, I made a mistake up there.
The Lucid Dreaming Online Course starts January 15th.
The OBE Online Course starts February 1st.
There.
Don
Exactly what I was thinking!Quote:
Originally Posted by b12