Question about wild

I've been trying different techniques to get another lucid dream. I guess the first time must have been a fluke, because it's been a week and a half and I still haven't got that feeling back.

So I tried wild for a few nights now, even though I know it's hard, it sounds like it's very reliable. I think I'm making progress but I'm not sure.

At first I just couldn't fall asleep and gave up.

After a couple more tries, I got this like, involuntary muscle spasming in my neck. I guess it could be described as vibrations. I'm not sure if this was because of the wild, or just my pillow. I still couldn't fall asleep.

After a couple more tries, two nights ago, I got the spasms in my neck, but also my arms. I was like "Oh boy! is this it?" which of course pulled me right out of it. :(

Was that it? or the beginnings of it?

Also, every time I do this, especially if i have my hands on my chest, but even if my arms are straight at my sides, to a lesser extent, my hands and forearms get totally numb. Is this supposed to happen? Or am I compressing a vertebrae or something?

Am I getting closer, or should I forget wild for now? I don't want to waste nights chasing wild geese.

thx gais.

The numbing sensation is key. When you WILD, you are attempting to coerce your body into sleep paralysis. Eventually you should be able to get completely numb. Remember, patience is the key. It may take anywhere from minutes to hours for you to enter a dream.

Thanks sycross. Is it a real numbing sensation? Or is it that your subconscious is imagining you're numb? Mine was real, because when I got pulled out of it, I was totally awake (I'm pretty sure it wasn't a FA), and my hand was still numb.

Hey there wombat :P

If you think it could have been provoked by your pillow, then try sleeping on a different position. Comfort is really important when WILDing: if you are undomfortable you'll soon get restless.

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Your body will start to get numb after staying still for a while, which does happen and is completely normal. It is not your subconscious, since it starts on different, isolated parts of your body, and will slowly spread to your whole body. After it gets numb, you won't really feel things you touch anymore, so that is a good sign. Keep waiting and it won't take much for you to enter SP ;P

Good luck then :D

I also get the numbness and the spasms in my calf muscles and my hand muscles. But, I've not been able to get into SP or a WILD either. Don't worry you aren't alone.

I am definatly NOT an expert when it comes to WILD, but I always experience some numbness whenever I do it. For me it is a good sign, it lets me know I am close. If I don't make it all the way to a WILD and I get up (usually because my alarm went off) I usually do have some numbness. I figure it is because I was holding still for so long.

I tried again last night, and didn't get very far. I only felt the vibrations in my neck, and starting down my arms. No numbness.

It's so hard to keep your concentration and not think about these things when weird stuff starts happening. I think the real reason I failed today though was that I couldn't get comfortable, and I kept having to swallow.

Does anyone WILD on their side? I'm always more comfortable that way, but I think I'd probably just fall asleep.

I WILD on my side :) its not any different. Also when you think you are getting the vibrations, does it come with a sense of vertigo? It feels like a roller coaster. You wouldnt be able to ignore the feeling, and there would be no mistaking it. No "was that it?" question. thats what you are looking for. Or for what most people look for anyway. Everyone WILDs different. there isnt a master WILD technique.

good luck with your WILDs! they truely are one of the most reliable techniques :) that is, if you can masater them :?

I have more limited experience with WILDS but I can offer a few points here. Most of my WILDS occur when I take Galantamine and Choline. It is almost always the same experience. Whether on my side or back it doesn't matter. I start to drift off, and get vibrations at the back of my neck. They get more intense moving UP to my head. Sometimes I get 1 wave, sometimes 2-3. If I negotiate the process correctly, when the vibrations stop, I'm dreaming. I get up from the same location I started, but the bed or couch is now an element of my dream - NOT my real bed or couch.

Each wave of vibrations can last 10-20 seconds give or take. Also, when the vibrations stop, I sometimes get a translation feeling, like I'm floating or falling.

Is any of this similar to your experience? Because this is sort of a false awakening scenario, it can be confusing. It's possible you transitioned into a dream but because your surroundings did not change, you got fooled into thinking you were awake.

No, I haven't felt the vertigo yet. Just mild vibrations and a lot of numbness. That's probably why I wasn't sure.

Maybe I'll try wilding on my side. I'd certainly feel much more comfortable, and less likely to need to swallow.

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Yes, the vibrations do start in the back of my neck. A couple times they moved to my arms and almost to my legs, but not quite. I've been thinking that my whole body should feel it, and have been disappointed when the vibrations stopped, because I figured it was because I thought about it. I haven't felt the floating or falling sensation yet, so I don't think that I transitioned. And I feel so perfectly awake, my eyes even burn a little (even though they're closed) from being awake so early (they always do). But I'll have to start doing a reality check when I think I wake up from now on. :o

I tried it. I woke up at 4 am and tried to wild from my side. Sure enough, I fell asleep and didn't wake up til 6:15. I had to get up at 6:40, so I tried a little from my back, but didn't work. I even did an RC when I thought I woke up. :(

Hopefully the weekend will bring better luck.

For me really strong vibrations will make my neck hurt the next day, there is a way to stop that. Just dont feel the vibrations in your head, relax your head as much as possible. I also dont think you need to be in SP to wild. I think instead you should try the easy version of a wild, it only takes seconds, if your lucky it will work for you. Easy version = roll out the second you wake up.

haha, I'd rather do a less obtrusive rc first, since rolling out of bed is likely to make my wife pretty unhappy when I pull all the covers off, if i'm not really in SP. I was reading Clairity's thread and the tongue through teeth rc, or breathing through a closed throat rc sound pretty promising, and hopefully won't ruin my wild attempt.

I did try to roll slightly this morning. I felt some really mild vibrations in my neck and thought "hey, maybe this is it," but it ended up being just me rolling. Fortunately no covers were removed!