Thread: The Ultimate technique

Originally Posted by roguext22

i dont understand !...
really.. what is missing? so many techniques ( dild wild ld, lild, mild, btbt bwbw i dont even know all names!! ) and it is still not enough for you?

There are as many techniques than lucid dreamers on the earth, I believe. Cause you may start to do exactly what a technique says, but there's always a personnal way of doing things who kick in sooner or later. Because every person is different, then "the better way of do this" is different for everyone. Is that right?

I H8 REALITY ... any more news on this new tech, im looking forward too this

Originally Posted by philquiet

There are as many techniques than lucid dreamers on the earth, I believe. Cause you may start to do exactly what a technique says, but there's always a personnal way of doing things who kick in sooner or later. Because every person is different, then "the better way of do this" is different for everyone. Is that right?

Actually, I think that the basis of most every variation of a tech is pretty much the same when you get to it's roots. The difference comes in when the person doing the tech tries to put it into a set of actions and/or a set of words. It would be quite interesting to see what would happen it people were to share techs at a conceptual level. So, when you write a new variation, the goal is to get closer to that root in a way that others will understand, with words or with exercises. Teaching with concepts would be a breeze.

yep.. at least arby understands...
arby - to ld.. its nothing to do about techniques right? the point is somewhere else..

Originally Posted by roguext22

yep.. at least arby understands...
arby - to ld.. its nothing to do about techniques right? the point is somewhere else..

This thread isn't really gonna go anywhere else so I guess going on a tangent here is okay.. XD

The best tech is and always will be the one you make for yourself by combining the winning elements of techs that you read about plus your own little spice on top. The end point for every tech is the same (conscious REM sleep) and so drawing distinct lines separating them would be silly. There are a few ways to get to conscious REM sleep and ALL OF THEM ARE 100%. The problem is that you cannot just tell your body to go into REM sleep while conscious. You must work around and try to incubate that state of being. This creates the inconstancy we see.

The problem with any monkey see-monkey do tech is that it probably relies on some pre-built schemata in you head that most people don't necessarily have. The biggest of these being the translation of words to concepts and the mis-interpretation that usually occurs due to differing schemata.

Yes, you are correct. Critically speaking, the point is somewhere else. Techniques however try to get there. If you can look inside yourself and look at what works... you can find your own path to that same goal.

At least, thats my [current] theory on the matter.

Ok I understood the point. Thank you! It teached me something.

Originally Posted by arby

If you can look inside yourself and look at what works... you can find your own path to that same goal.

in my way, i would like to say - if you want to look inside yourself and look at whats works - whats going on there.. but noone is interested, or at least its that i see ( everyone does through techniques with egotic names )
this is what everyone should be interested in... do research yourself for yourself, no need to tell everyone what you understood, or found, or saw.

Techniques are necessary. They are the most important part for people who are not natural. You need some sort of guideline. Without some of the tuts on here I would have no clue how to WILD by forcing your body into a SP-like state.

The unfortunate thing about tuts is that they're often incomplete. To do a WILD by inducing SP while conscious, you first must first get to the SP state, then you must begin HI. After that, you must go from HI into the dream state.

If you manage those 3 things, it's 100% chance you'll be in a lucid dream (provided you remained conscious)

The tuts provide tips and tricks on how to do each stage. The first two, have lots of tricks (Getting to SP - various relaxation methods, getting to HI - counting and stuff like that). But, as you get deeper, the tuts seem to describe less. How does one get from HI to the dream state while remaining conscious? That is where you must use personnel discovery to fill in the hole OR try to do a VILD-like interpretation. Either way, thats where you must fill in the gap for yourself.

man, theres a new 'ultimate-works everytime for everyone-with no effort required' technique every week.

i'll try this technique, and this isn't meant to be a diss, but how many holy grails can there be?

i dont think theres one technique that works for everyone. rather, everyone needs to find a technique that works for them specificaly.