Thread: help with lucid dream mild?

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

I need help with lucid dream mild, I repeat my mantra which is next im dreaming i will realizing i am dreaming, but every time nothing happens and I am getting discouraged from lucid dreaming, how long should I repeat my mantra for and how long does it take to enter through mild?

Trust me you are doing everything right! It just takes time and patience with lucid dreaming, and is very unpredictable. It took me 2 1/2 months to get my first LD!

Try visualizing being in a dream and becoming lucid too, while doing your mantra too. Also try to make these the last things you think about right before you fall asleep, if you can. Also try WBTB, which is waking up at night after a sleep cycle (4 1/2, 6, 7 1/2, or 9 hours after sleep), staying up just a little ( like 20 minutes or so) till you are a little awake but still would fall asleep easily, and do MILD with the visualizations.

Also, try to be motivated and excited about getting a LD, it makes the MILD more powerful.

I know LDing seems very hard and frustrating, and trust me, I've burnt my fuses ALOT with it, but you gotta just keep hauling and pushing through! Trust me, after a year or so from training, you will see why it's worth it!

I've been training for a little less than a year now, and I've studied every little detail about LDing, and worked so hard. I have a lot of moments of discourage, unconfidence, loss of motivation and so on, but I'm much better at LDing, even with all these, I've improved. As Dr Laberge said, all LDers virtually advance always while practicing!

So you'll just have to start walking this steep hill, knowing it will take much work and effort and frustration, but also know that you are getting a step closer each night, even if you don't feel any progress, and trust me you won't.

On the bright side, you can train your prospective memory so that the MILD becomes much more powerful! With this training, you will actually see improvement in your prospective memory, so it won't be frustrating!

What you do is chose cues that happen during the day and plan to remember to RC when you see one. You are training your ability to remember to do stuff in the future through brain power, which is the essence of MILD.

Good Luck, and Sweet LDs!
Keep on Rolling

Oh, and I had oral sex in my last LD, so trust me it's gonna be fun when you get there!

well how real do they feel? and if my mantra can't be the last thing I think of will that effect the results

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

well how real do they feel? and if my mantra can't be the last thing I think of will that effect the results

Amazingly real!
Also you can control the dream clarity, or in other words, turn it HD. You just demand it becomes clearer, like yelling "clarity now!" While inside the LD.
They still feel a little like you are drunk, but that gets better with more LD experience.
Also the memory is a huge factor. You might feel like the dream wasn't so real, or in other words, wasn't rich, but that is mostly because the memory of it got weaker after the LD ended and continued to regular sleep. The best thing to do is to wake yourself up after doing you LD goals, so the memory would still be intact.
An example of this you might be familiar with is when you wake up directly from a dream, or a nightmare, and you feel you where just in there, that you where actually there. The truth is you always feel like that inside dreams, but when the memory fades during deep sleep after that dream, it feel like a vague distant experience or memory when you wake up and recall it.
Also supplements can help, because they make the memory stronger so you remember the richness of the dream more.

As for the last thing before you fall asleep part, don't worry about it. It won't effect much, you'll be fine without it if you can't do it. I personally never succeeded in making it my last thought before falling asleep, because I can't fall asleep while thinking.

is visualizing mandatory

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

is visualizing mandatory

I think it's not necessary but it's a great way to make MILD more effective.

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

is visualizing mandatory

Nothing is mandatory, but you should try to use visualizations if you haven't tried already. Who knows what might work for you? I usually recall a lucid dream and "relive" the moment I became lucid, or recall a non-lucid dream and imagine myself becoming lucid in it. Stephen LaBerge suggests using a vivid dream you have just awoken from.

Are you keeping a dream journal? Are you setting alarms, doing WBTB, or performing anything else besides your mantra? Keep in mind, you may have to exert some force behind your mantra to get it to work. You aren't just repeating something mindlessly. You have to really mean what you say. Use the same conviction you would use if you needed to stop somewhere after school and pick up something important: "After school, I need to get cat food." And really mean it! You don't want your cats to starve!

And don't get discouraged! Dream practice is fun. Don't get stressed about not seeing the lucids. Enjoy your NLDs, enjoy your dream journal, make plans for your first LD (if you want), enjoy being more aware in your waking life. Keep us updated!

how do you guys stay up, since sometimes when I wake up from my alaram, I end up going back to sleep/

LouaiB, are you now able to lucid dream whenever you want because of all that training? Because I've had two random lucid dreams in the past year and I want to be able to have one every night! Did you just practice MILD every single night to finally lucid dream or did you just do reality checks during the day?

Originally Posted by kamenriderbaron

how do you guys stay up, since sometimes when I wake up from my alaram, I end up going back to sleep/

I have the same problem! Lol
I do only what I can do. Put the alarm way far in the side of the room so I'd have to stand up and walk to turn it off. Plus, to insure I won't surrender to bed, I put a chair in front of where I put the alarm and remember to sit on it after I wake up and turn the alarm off, or just remember to go to the bathroom instead of sitting on a chair.

Originally Posted by joshuav523

LouaiB, are you now able to lucid dream whenever you want because of all that training? Because I've had two random lucid dreams in the past year and I want to be able to have one every night! Did you just practice MILD every single night to finally lucid dream or did you just do reality checks during the day?

You can say most of the time when I feel like it. Motivation becomes a problem, since training every day for the past year has pretty much burnt my fuses. Don't get me wrong, I have very very exciting goals I wanna do in my LDs, but the first few milestones of training are harsh , because results are low and frustrations are high. The trick is to do everything right so you would pass those milestones quicker. What you should do(those are what I do)(all are crucial) are the following points (or techniques or whatever):

1)Dream Journal

2)Memorize dream signs and practice recognizing them (even if you feel like they happen in your dreams but you barely notice them, don't worry, training to recognize them will also make you notice them when you usually don't. For example, my dream sign is school. Usually when I am in school in a dream, I would be just walking by, not like saying "hey, I'm in school", and it seems that I don't even know I'm in school, but with this practice, I started actually noticing when I'm in school in the dream, and then remember that it's a dream sign and that I must be dreaming)
The technique is to simply imagine yourself in a dream seeing the dream sign, then knowing that you are dreaming.

3)RC. I like to use the reflection intention technique better though. It is that after you RC and confirm your reality, you imagine what would happen if this was actually a dream, what would you do and so on, then say that tonight you want a LD.

4)you also want to achieve the state of mind that you might be dreaming at any given moment, no matter how real your environment feels now. This helps because next time something weird happens in a dream and you doubt it, you will rationalize that you are dreaming, instead of using any other possible rational explanation, because you know that you might be dreaming at any time.

5)MILD+WBTB(pretty straight forward)

6)Train your prospective memory: It is the memory that makes you remember to do something in the future(like remembering a dreamsign and knowing that this is a dream, or remembering your intention to become lucid while in a dream.). So this is very important! It's like increasing the level of your LDing weapons. It makes MILD and using dreamsigns much much more effective.

As a side note: the more you use mild, the more powerful it becomes, because MILD is basically intentions, and intentions is the job of the prospective memory, and the prospective memory, first of all, you can train it to become more powerful, and second of all, gets more 'used to' a single dream sign or intention you use over and over again, making it more effective.

Side note 2: Do the RC's (or reflection intention) meaningfully. This is because your subconscious won't put a RC in your dream if it doesn't see it as something meaningful. It's like when you have your first kiss, it would be so meaningful that you would dream about it the same night. A lot of people think that RCs are done so that they would become a habit and we would do them in a dream out of force of habit, which is untrue, because habits don't seem to work during dreams.

Side note 3: I don't recommend ADA. The reason is because in dreams, our semantic memory (which is responsible to tell us if there is something weird) doesn't work so much, it would be 'weak'. So, we know that ADA is to make us become more aware of our environment so we would notice anything weird, and thus notice weird things in our dreams. Like I said, in dreams the symantic memory is weak, and the problem is not that we don't notice a dinosaur for example, but the problem is that we can't remember it is weird to see a dinosaur(except sometimes we do when our symantic memory doesn't fail us, and that is when we feel doubt and point 4 comes into play). So ADA is like training to focus harder on a tree which doesn't have birds in the first place.

Side note 4: WILD and SSILD are nice too.

Side note 5: Other than these, Auto suggestions, self hypnosis, CAT, any form of WILD, and maybe meditation too are all fine technique (though auto suggestions and self hypnosis contradict MILD so I prefer you stay with MILD for better results, even if you are highly hypnotizable).
Other than all of these, don't try any induction technique, especially the ones you read a lot in this forum (sorry DV), cuz most of them aren't any good frankly.
Of course any technique though that come from the main experts (like Laberge or Daniel Love) are fine.

Hope I didn't miss anything, and hope I'm helping! Ask me anything you want, even if you ask 100 times!

Though I unfortunately don't have internet connection most of the week, so it may take me time to reply, sorry v.v