I once read something about this somewhere, and it definitely sounds like an interesting idea.
Basically, you set many alarms in the morning with 15-30 minute intervals, so that you are awakened by them and slip in and out of REM over and over, and each time you wake up you try to become lucid as you fall back to sleep again - possibly 5 or 6 times each morning.
What do you think of this idea?
Will it make lucidity easier, or will you just become more and more tired each time you wake up?
It may have been something I said. It is probably the easiest way to get DEILDs and really that is the easiest method as far as I am concerned. I just did this two nights in a row and had about 2-3 brief lucids each morning. Luckily my wife goes to work before me, and I spend a lot of time in a hotel. Just use a snooze alarm. I use an I-phone and set it for as far after bedtime as I can and still have 2 hours to DEILD. If I can get away with 9 hours sleep, I set the first alarm for 7 hours after bedtime. I like to use 30 minute intervals if I am in high lucidity phase. That is because I get lucid often enough this way, that a shorter snooze would interrupt some epic LDs. If I am in a dry spell I will set it for 15 minutes. That way I can try DEILD 7 times, and usually catch some lucidity somewhere in there.
Great trick! Every one try it out ASAP unless you already have played with it.
I tried this last night, staring 3 hours after I fell asleep and had 3 alarms about 30-45 minutes apart. My recall was increased and I think it is great for helping generate activity in the frontal lobe (logical area) of the brain which greatly helps with lucidity.
I've tried this some time ago, and unfortunatelly it doesn't work for me... If the amount of sleep before the alarm is enough for me, I just can't fall asleep again, and if it's not enough, I turn off the alarm and immediatelly fall asleep. Any ideas how could I improve this method?
This wbtb alarm technique is the method I use to attempt to induce lucid dreams each and every night. Similar to what sivason explained I use an alarm that goes off (on my smartphone using Alarm Clock Xtreme for android users) every 30min after about 3 hours of sleep until I wake up for the day. When the alarm goes off I hit the snooze button and then attempt to WILD and if that doesn't work I can still become lucid through DILDs caused by the failed WILD attempt.
This technique is very hit and miss for me but allows me to have lucid dreams ~2 times a week. I've been tweaking this technique for months and I've been consistently becoming lucid more and more as I do so. Another reason I like this method so much is because it's not dependent on any other practices such as DJ, RCs, ADA, etc. In my opinion I think this is the easiest method to having lucid dreams.
For those who have trouble going back to sleep when awoken from the alarm, just have the phone in bed WITH you so that when it goes off all you need to do is press the big snooze button then go back to sleep. I've noticed that if I try too hard to WILD it makes it more difficult for me to fall back asleep so I've learned overtime how much effort to give based on how I feel. I'm liking this thread and hope we can continue to discuss this method :D.
I know what you mean, you need to experiment with your timings and find a time that's right in the middle such that you're not too tired or too awake. I suggest using an alarm app on your smartphone (for android users I suggest either Alarm Clock Xtreme or Alarm Clock Plus)Quote:
Originally Posted by Chihiro
Alarm clock extreme works very well. Would highly recommend. I set it around 4 hours after I go to sleep. Have around 5 alarms that will go off increasingly louder for 5 seconds. Then it cuts off. Usually 30 minutes inbetween each alarm. Amazing lucidity. Seriously some of the best lucid dreams I've ever had.
Wow we use the same method almost to the dot (Alarm Clock Xtreme, alarms 3-4 hours after going to sleep, 30min between alarms :shock:). You however use autosnooze which is something I don't but want to use. My phone doesn't seem to get loud enough for the auto snooze to wake me up reliably and what usually happens is I'll sleep right through it. Do you happen to be a light sleeper?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanjohn
My I-phone has a shake to snooze setting. I just have to pick it up and move it a bit to shut it off. It forces me to wake up a little, but not too much.
I'm not really a light sleeper, but my phone gets really loud. So the first couple seconds it goes off I don't hear it, but by the end it's almost too loud. I train myself to not move to the sound of it when it wakes me up. Then I just sit there and fall into a dream. So fun to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scizorist
May I ask what type of phone do you have? I have a Galaxy S2 SGH-T989 and while the alarm does get loud, it's just not loud enough to wake me up reliably if I set it to auto snooze itself which is why I have to manually snooze because at times I'll just sleep through the alarm for a few minutes. I plan on buying an external speaker to connect the phone to at night so that the alarm will be louder as it will be coming from two sources, hopefully that will solve the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanjohn
I am also a fan of this method and have posted many times about this. It works very well, specially with long sleep because the chance of the alarm going off when we are dreaming is higher, as you all know. It is not very effective if i sleep less than 9 hours. In my last dj entry, i had an interesting deild marathon.
Itīs very nice to see so many people using this method, and i hope many more will try it. LDing is not difficult, itīs not about enlightened conscious people, and this is a good reminder. This and many children i know :). I still suck for trying too hard, sometimes.
I use app Timmers4me ( i think its better than those already described) ; after 6h30 sleep; every 15 min, 2 seconds long, auto-snooze; somewhat loud volume.
I only use it when i know i can sleep for a good time.maybe 3 times a week. It has worked 66% of attempts.
Hello, i am beginner i read this post and found it very atractive and something that might help me achieve more lucid dreams and i want to try it. But there is something that bothers me. I read that DEILD is from same family as the WILD which sometimes or most of the times starts with FA. Since this is a DEILD method and requers to be still and not open your eyes when you wake up, how do you check if you are in a FA? What reality check can be used for this so it will not ruin DEILD attempts? I trained myself to do nose plug RC every time i wake up or feel myself in bed after going to sleep, which thankfully to this i was able to catch FA overtime. But since i have to move my hand plug my nose and put my focus and awareness on my breathing it bothers me that this might be a problem or ruin the conditions required for this DEILD method and reduce my chances to have one.
This method is a little different. I have to move one arm to shake my phone. If the scene changes from your bed then you are safe to RC however you want. If you think you maybe be dreaming of being in bed try looking around without moving. Only in a dream can you examine your room without opening your eyes or moving your head.
I do this without alarms. It was a youtube video I watched. The problem with an alarm that isn't natural can wake you up in a lucid dream.
I get woken from many LDs by the next alarm, but that is ok with me. I figure if the method helped me get lucid, it is not so bad that it also interrupted one.
Yes Sivason, we just have to be grateful ! But even so, if we are still sleepy, itīs possible to DEILD again.
I've never lucid yet. But i'm practicing dream recall and jounalling. You said 30 minutes in between.. My question is how do you even go back to bed in 30 minutes and i'm guessing that means your sleep periods are small.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanjohn
I'm having problems seeing how you go back to sleep so quickly. In my cause i do 1:30 , 3:00, 4:30
and everytime i get up and want to go back to bed. it's hard. takes me alot of minutes,.. when i wake up at 1:30 i try and try to go back to bed and at 2:20 i'm still awake. So i usually give up on the 3:00 alarm cause i havent' even succeeded at sleep.
Anyways, you seem to be a pro. How do you go back to sleep so quickly?
I know you were not asking me, but it must be something specific to each person. In my case after hitting snooze I am back asleep within a minute or two. Being able to relax your mind probably helps too.Quote:
Originally Posted by voByJunior2013
I used to do that about 10 years ago. I would set the alarm to first go off after 5 hours of sleep, because I figured that after that my body would be done repairing itself mostly. Then I'd set it to go off every hour until I get up. Was very useful back then because I couldn't get very long LDs. But now the alarm can disturb me while I'm LDing so I don't do it anymore.
I used to love doing it though! pretty much guaranteed lucidity. Now I just give strong intent to lucid dream before I fall asleep.
I tried this method 2 times, i know this might not be enough for me to expect results but i noticed when i did this i was not able to remember single dream or fragment of what i was dreaming those nights. This is strange because i usually remember 2-5 dreams a night.
What i did i set my alarms after 5-6 hours of sleep 20 mins interwals, 7 seconds alarm duration, when alarm wakes me, first thing i trained myself i will slowly nose plug to check if i am in a FA, then i will go back to sleep and try to remember my last dream scene or anything i can and then i will fall asleep or find myself into a dream non lucid like usual till next alarm and so on.
Since that was my experence I came up with a thought that i might be doing something wrong. How this method actually works? What are the steps/actions you perform during this?
7 seconds is too much. 2 seconds, high volume, works for me. It should stop itself ( autosnooze ). You should not move too much and apply your technique for DEILD or OBE, or just wait for a lucky DILD. Check this app: timmers4me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imaginary
I got me 3 and 5 seconds too, but the issues is that i don't hear those alarms every time they ring except i max volume them and that cause me issues because too high volume kinda wakes me too much. I got this one 7 seconds medium volume which i found it quite confortable and they all stop after their time with autosnooze.
I don't move too much, as i said previously the only effective way i know for now that i know it works for me to check and catch FA is the nose plug and thats the only movement i will do most of the time.
And about the techniques the one i try to apply is to remember the dream i had if i can and try to visualize it like the most tutorials state for DEILD and they say it's easier like that for begginers and even the experienced ones. OBE? Sorry but i don't get you in here? What do you mean by OBE?
What kind of alarm app are you guys using? Specially iPhone users. I really want an auto-snooze alarm app, where I don't need too touch the device to turn it off. Do any of you know such an iPhone app?
I've watched a video on a technique where it said in theory when you repeat something like this is gave you more of a chance to reach it (lucidity). In this video it was a WILD, it stated that there were impulses that your mind sent to your body to check if you're awake (Clearing throat, turning over, moving body etc.) and if you reached a certain limit and then gave in to the impulse, the next time you attempted it (literally straight after) your body would steepen the climb to falling sleep (you'd reach it quicker). After a certain amount of tries you were 'sling-shotted' into lucidity much quicker than normal (In the WILD example). So perhaps the same principles apply here.
First of all - thank you fogelbise for linking me up in here!
And thank you for this whole thread!!
I will try this and report. Latest next after next night.
It really sounds great - and it comes with such a cool collection of supporters, too..;)
And I had one DEILD from LD to LD - that really seemed easy - but it was from lucidity..
As you have worded it - I was wondering, if you might understand this as a WakeBackToBed (WBTB) method, where you set your alarm - get out of bed and try to wake yourself up a bit - if not too much - and then go back to bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by voByJunior2013
But maybe you meant sleep, and you donīt get up, or move and then canīt sleep anyway..?
If so - I can not help - but wish good luck with it! :)
I was so free as to take out an "m" above - I managed to copy-paste into googlivion..:roll:Quote:
Originally Posted by VagalTone
Will see to install it and check, how I like your settings.
Thanks for the specific tips!
Oh - and for me - OBE is an Out of Body Experience.
Not the same as AP (Astral Projectio n)
An experience is something subjective - and not something factual.
Spoiler for OBEs and UFOs and what I think on the terms - off topic..:
Oh StephL, sorry, it is timers not timmers. That may have caused some wasted time :shock:
If you try this deild alarm stuff, you may get surprised with its effectiveness and customization flexibility. But be ready to hear some complaints:cheeky:
The online downside of this method is the annoyance of the sound, largely surpassed by the joy of effortless lucidity.
Edit: my new iPad is messing my writing, not online but only.
Hehe - soz and thanks..Quote:
Originally Posted by VagalTone
I think, if these alarms are really short and I do not have to get and stay up - that could result in getting rid of my worst enemy:
Grumpiness and missing motivation, when the time has come.
When I give it one more try, when it is too late for that - I am again grumpy - fall asleep and dream something..
And in the end, I get up much too late - which doesnīt feel good - at least not long-term.
Iīll see and install and test tonight - latest night after!
Last night were 1.5 a half-hearted WBTB SSILD tries - with going to bed too late and lala..
Problem: For I-Phone, this timer4you app is not available - neither the Alarm-Clock X-treme stuff.
I have no android - and my husbandīs, which I had in mind is out of order.
Do you or anybody have a tip, which is the best I-Phone app around?
Sivason - your shake alarm - could you please tell me itīs name?
I have no clue, i use android, but i can tell you that installing and experimenting apps was the way i choose mine. Simply reading the description was not very, if at all, accurate.
Edit: just dont try too much the expensive ones ;)
Hach - this seems like something I will not manage for tonight - but I try and throw myself at it tomorrow!
Thanks once more!
Edit: Now is podcast-time!!
This is a technique I use personally use I now set an alarm to wake me up during REM stage and another 15 minutes after I drift back off.
80% successful on each occassion I do it.
There's a study mentioned in this book:
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1166/dreamkn.jpg
That talks how awakening patients during REM increases the amount of REM periods they have during the night. Here's an excerpt:
I actually searched for this study in order to partially explain a certain person's success at lucid dreaming some time ago, remember BB :)?Quote:
"Also,when you interrupt REM, pressure builds up for the brain to make more and more attempts to get into REM—in our study we see them go from an average of three REM periods of an average of five per night.
There's clearly something to this method that can be used to induce lucid dreams. I'd guess the reason it works so well it's because since you're doing multiple alarms in the 2nd half of your sleep period, makes you much more likely to catch yourself in REM, which at each consecutive attempt puts you more and more in rebound, thus increasing (don't know by how much) your chances of performing an WILD...
(This would have relevant consequences for the best way to perform WBTB. The best option would surely be a WBTB of micro duration, performed several times during the night, like people like VagalTone have been doing).
PS: someone should make a thread on research so we could test this together xD
Interesting Zoth ! i wonder if this rebound effect applies to such micro awakenings, and that would be a good experiment for sure.
But with this alarm DEILD technique, it is mostly ( hopefully ) an unnoticeable REM interruption, enough to arouse some awareness. Many times i go from dreaming to hypnagogia ( if i donīt wake up ) and then dream again, so itīs not complete awakening. It really feels like a very quick DEILD, and not much like WILD.
Now, as you suggest, it would be interesting perhaps to prolong the alarm ringing time so as to wake up fully from REM. But that would be a more of a micro WILD and interesting because of the rebound potential.
The alarm I use is simple called Alarm Clock. I think it came installed on i-phone. I actually do this as a mini WBTB. I must wake up enough to reach over and shake the phone. I like this method and choose it rather than an auto-snooze. I am awake for perhaps 1 minute. I choose a non-jarring alarm tone. They have many choices and I used to do birds, until it started upsetting my wife. She was getting trained to wake up every time she heard birds. Now I use some noise a bit like the X-files music. I do wake, and I do move, just not much. Then I do a WILD, but it is far more like DEILD than a traditional WILD.
The auto-snooze has always worked for me. With the alarm-clock extreme I set it for 5 seconds where it gradually gets louder. Something that helps generally is to practice. So whenever you have some time to kill set your alarm to go off every minute for the next 5 minutes and auto snooze. Then train yourself not to move, and to not get excited when it happens. Just lay with it going off and put the idea in your head that you won't move and will stay calm. I think it's called a mantra. Anyway that's what I've done. And although I just recently started doing it again, when I used to do it a lot it would bring on lucid dreams almost every night. And some nights I'd have 5 lucids.
Thanks, you could have told us long time ago :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jmanjohn
I don't come on dreamviews every day. I've been trying to more lately, but it's difficult with busy schedule. And aside from DILD's, this is my second most area of expertise.Quote:
Originally Posted by VagalTone
I have experimented with this on a few occasions after seeing this thread and had a couple of successes. If you do this for many mornings in a row, do you have to change it up to keep it working? In other words, do you start to ignore the alarms consciously or subconsciously?
No, it's best not to change it too often. The best thing is to try to have a good regular sleep schedule, so that the sound has the same effect on your dreaming mind. Once you find a setting that works, you just have to figure out the best sleep schedule ( that includes wbtb if you like ) and try to do the same rituals during the day and night.Quote:
Originally Posted by fogelbise
I have used this method many times and it still helps a lot, either deilding or dilding. In fact, it works even better ;)
Training to the alarm in the waking state - now that sounds genial!
I've heard of this before although I tend to set one alarm. Then I stay up for about 15 minutes, and after I go back to sleep.
A little trick I use for the iPhone is to use the headphones that come with the iPhone 5 and then set the iPhone alarm to what ever time you want. Go to sleep with the volume Control (which is attached to the headphones) in your hands and when the alarm goes off slightly press the volume control to stop the alarm. This way you don't need to move to turn the alarm off. I've had many LD's doing it this wayQuote:
Originally Posted by StephL
I looked around and found an app called Alarm Clock Bud. It seems pretty good (multiple alarms, autosnooze, shake to turn off/snooze/etc). I won't know for sure until I try it out, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by StephL
For some reason, the free version doesn't show up on google, but if you go through iTunes or the app store, you can find it.
For iphone users:
Get this app. It's the best one for multiple alarms not only because you dictate easily the time between them, but it also shuts off by itself, and the ringtones it has are very useful (some of them so smooth that I have to use 2 of them with a difference of 1-2 seconds). There's also a free version, but if you got a device with jailbreak, you should be able to get chronology without much issues (just google for the ipa file).
This is the best alarm I have found for this:
Spoiler for alarm:
Thank you lots - will check these all out!
Weell - except the baby - that not - none available - and borrowing one for LD is taking it too far..hehe.
This works for me quite well, almost every time i do it, it induces a ld. for some reason it only works on weekends though.
Soo - not sure, if I followed your link, Zoth - but I did follow a lot of links and searched and got more and more frustrated - until finally - benni posted this in http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...me-ld-god.html
I have it now - put it to go off for 5 sec (that`s minimum for that) and every half hour (that is maximum for that) - six times - but starting after 5 h of sleep - might have been too late - the first one caught me in a natural awakening phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by benni
And I seem to remember, that all other alarms found me awake too - this can't really be - because I have been sleeping after the first one.
So - don't really know, what happened - unfortunately.
I had a long intense and vivid and nice normal dream after the last alarm...:roll:
Na well - this was first testing night - went to bed very late and after having my mates over for darts - so all a bit chaotic maybe.
Will have to play with it...
Maybe take one for a WILD attempt, if the first so and so many didn't bring me there..?
But it took me ages now to find the correct alarm clock - seems for Android it is a bit better - but not much..
Steph:
Maybe you are naturally waking up before the alarm bcz of your intention to wake from the alarm. That is a good thing, since you can use it to do a Deild easilly, with another intention to not move. Waking naturally is always better, even if you have a smooth alarm, but use the alarm, cuz you may not wake up naturally several times a night. Well, this may not be the case though.
Got any free app for Nokia E series?
Try repeating a phrase in your mind or a word as soon as the alarm wakes you. This will help bring a tiny bit of waking awareness back past the curtain of sleep. I use something like "Thank you for this dream, My Lord, thank you for this dream." I also feel a double meaning with this one, as in I am also being thankful for this life (which is a dream too.) Of course that is my own phrase and your's need not be so prayer like. It could be simple, such as, "A dream, a dream, I am about to dream." Do not focus on the words in a way that will prevent sleep, instead they are just a light care free back ground thing.
Just a variation, not needed, but I find it helpful.
Thank you!!Quote:
Originally Posted by sivason
I should have come up with it myself - to use all awakenings - not only if the "DEILD works" - but as a sort micro-WBTB!
And I am already convinced that mantras work due to experience - and it is something "easy", so I won't disappoint myself with being not enough motivated for a longer WBTB.
The problem with achieving a DEILDs is the following - if catching the alarm - I just enjoy remembering my dream and slip back non lucidly.
In fact - I had only two DEILDs and they were coming from mini LDs. But since I often "DEID" - I thought this would suit me.
If I stop concentrating on reconstructing the previous dream - but view the upcoming LD as a new one - just using the state of mind, not the actual previous dream as such - and hold on to consciousness via something verbal - that sounds very promising to me!!
Or would you advise to also in some way connect to the content of the previous non-lucid dream?
First time with 6 alarms - my memory probably played tricks on me - can't really be, they all found me awake - stupidly didn't do anything with these "reminders".
Then I slept through all but one - same, didn't use it, except for recall - then I left the alarms out twice, because I wanted undisturbed sleep.
I switched to one alarm for WBTB last night and lacked motivation again.
So I was disappointed with my latest LD activities - now I am freshly inspired - alarms and micro-wbtb with mantra it is!
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Ah - but for recall - it was already great - didn't journal on here - or anywhere actually - but I remember them for a while, and I found a lot of nice things, I was missing out on in my normal dreams!
I do not try to recapture the last dream at all. I use the mantra 100%
I will try it out - as said - recreating didn't bring me back - it ended in nice recall-sessions - will report back!
I try mini WBTBs using water for DEILD, and during one, I used my phone and ended up staying up for an hour. I decided to do a WILD, but couldn't fall asleep. So, I said "SSILD"(sure it was late for it, but meh), so I fell asleep during the warm up cycles, but got a very very aware dream. Could it be bcz of the long stay up? or does it also happen with micro WBTBs+SSILD?
Sooo - one micro-wbtb with a little success!!
I made a mistake with the alarms - the app needs to stay open for them to go off - didn't realize that and had my dictation-thing open.
So - when I woke up naturally quite late - I put on 2 more - on the first - I was still awake - having gone to the toilet and got myself a peppermint tea - went back to bed and tried to mantra - nope fell asleep into a normal dream without remembering, how exactly.
But then came the next alarm - woke me up - and again I did mantra and in my usual sleeping position - aand - second time of my life - I had any sort of HH - and these were strong bodily ones.
It was vibrations and weightlessness-feeling and movement - swerving about and also falling - got to get used to these not to startle myself and get swept with positive excited expectation - got to mantra on and rather ignore them, I guess.
But how can you ignore such intense sensations??
It took me by surprise, too - since it is more than two months ago, that this happened - and that was my second ever WILD try back then after just 2 min. of staring at the back of my eyelids.
I tried many more times after longer WBTB and tried for up to half an hour - and nothing, no WILD - no bells and whistles.
Didn't do any WBTB-WILD tries the last weeks - but before that, when I did - I had a high ratio of following DILDs.
In this case followed a long vivid and beautiful dream - containing 6 (!!) of my classical dream-signs - but I missed out on them - not having prepared myself for their detection..:roll:
So I think, I had a real DILD-chance there too!
Yeah - unfortunately - once the HHs started and I paid attention to them - had to actually - they disappeared and I was normally awake.
I think it was real - oh my - should have RCd...:facepalm: Comes to my mind just now.
Soo - I just made use of the one alarm, that woke me up - and I find the result very, very promising indeed!!
Thank you for reminding me of the importance and usefulness of mantras, Sivason!!
Could well be - anything longer than micro-wbtb has made me too awake!
Finally I am really excited again and feel success around the corner!!
:yumdumdoodledum:
A good iOS app for this could be Lucid Reality Check. One just needs to activate the "Autorepeat Alerts" option and also use the "Exclude Sleeping Time" option in reverse, I mean, if I wanted alerts from 4am to 6am I would set the Sleeping Time from 6am to 4am so that I don't get alerts the rest of the day and night. Good thing about this app is it runs in background mode, so no need to leave it open. It has evolved a lot through the years, so the interface might be a bit complex when you start using it. Oh, and it's free.
Thanks for pointing this out, I already have this app. I'll try this tonight! The reverberant sound seems pretty good. The interface of this app though is pretty bizarre, I don't like it at all. It also doesn't seem to let you record your own sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreambh
BTW, I can write iOS apps so I was about to offer to do one if enough people would spend some money on it to recoup the $99 Apple developer fee... I may still write my own lucid dreaming aid app since none of them out there do just what I want (especially prospective memory training, and the default voice recorder app is terrible since the record/stop buttons are so tiny, the screen is too bright even at lowest brightness levels, and the pause setting makes it possible to lose a recording session without realizing it).
I like using my normal snooze that is not an autosnooze. It prevents sleeping straight through
It works!!
Soo happy - it really works:
My First Alarm DEILD!! - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views
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Congrats, for me it just woke me up for 2.5 hours before I could get back to sleep :(. I did have an almost lucid though after getting finally back to sleep.
At how many hours of sleep did you start the alarms? How much time in between them? Are you generally a solid or light sleeper, do you typically easily get back to sleep in the middle of the night or does it take longer? I wake up really quickly so this may not be for me. I'll keep experimenting though.
Thank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by FryingMan
After 4-5 hours of sleep - for 5 sec. rather loud, I manage to sleep through them pretty often - every half hour for 6 times.
I am a solid sleeper and can go back to sleep easily - just not, when I try to WILD - that never led to me accidentally falling asleep - it only leads to giving up and then falling back to sleep normally - at least up to now.
I guess, I should try it on my stomach next time - my usual falling asleep position.
While I was in hospital a while ago - and had to sleep on my back - that was really difficult, now I think of it.
And there is still the motivation problem, if the alarm does not fall so optimally timing-wise, like that successful one did.
I am happy, if I at least mantra away a bit upon waking too much - or being awake already and taking it as a trigger to do something.
I set them for30 minutes, but one thing I do different, is that I use a feature on I-phone that requires you to move the phone to snooze it. I set it about where my hand would normally be able to reach it, say laying to one side of my pillow. I can not sleep through it, because it has a fade in feature. I can have it start gentle and use a nice sound. If I do not wake up it gets slowly louder. I will wake up eventually. The moment I am awake, I barely have to move the phone to snooze it. My hand is normally near my pillow, so I barely need to move my hand to cause the phone to snooze.
I do this on weekends, sometimes. I came into it via the term CANWILD. I use Alarm Clock Plus for Android. I wake naturally sometime in the early morning, and then I'll set a succession of "naps" starting from 30-60 minutes, depending on how sleepy/successful I'm feeling. That alarm is followed by several shorter naps 15-30 minutes apart.
I set it up to use no sound but only vibration. Those of you sharing your bed with someone might appreciate this. In the summer I would set it to a single buzz because I was sleeping lightly, but in the winter, it gives me 3 buzzes, then shuts off. I don't have to move at all.
The first alarm may startle me, and I am likely to reach for the phone to shut it off, but then it shuts off by itself and I realize what it was. I drift back to sleep, and the next alarms don't startle me. If I'm in luck, I'll then proceed with a WILD that really is more like a DEILD because it happens very smoothly.
