Thread: I hate the finger through hand technique, It only works when I already know I'm dreaming

It seems like it only works when I 100% know it will work.

Then 100% know it all the time, dream or no dream, that if you ARE dreaming, your finger WILL go through your hand. Without a doubt. There should be no doubt you see, because it is your dream, the only reason your finger wouldn't go through your hand is because YOU believe it might not.

yea it doesnt work for me either. Luckily i did the nose plug reality check right after and i was in

Good tip ^ - multiple rc's

It may not work for you, because when you RC during day, you don't believe you could be in a dream. So of course, that doubt transfers itself to your dream and RC fails, because you again, don't believe you are dreaming.

As with every RC that you do during day, you have to genuinely believe, that you are in a dream and the RC will work.

So when you trying to poke your thumb through your palm, expect it to go through, because who knows, you just might be in a dream. When you pinch your nose shut, expect to be able to breathe. When you look at your hands and count your fingers, expect to find more than your normal number. When you try to levitate, expect to start lifting up.

Originally Posted by gab

It may not work for you, because when you RC during day, you don't believe you could be in a dream. So of course, that doubt transfers itself to your dream and RC fails, because you again, don't believe you are dreaming.

As with every RC that you do during day, you have to genuinely believe, that you are in a dream and the RC will work.

So when you trying to poke your thumb through your palm, expect it to go through, because who knows, you just might be in a dream. When you pinch your nose shut, expect to be able to breathe. When you look at your hands and count your fingers, expect to find more than your normal number. When you try to levitate, expect to start lifting up.

I try to but it feels like the subconscious origin of the thought never dies out so even when I try my hardest to believe my finger will go through, it never does because the thought is coming from a false pretense. I would have to do a reality check that works using more than just the act of believing like the pinching nose technique (I use the zero movement version of that reality check where you attempt to blow out your mouth with your mouth closed. much easier imo because you don't need hands to do it). Even in lucid dreams, it can be very difficult to accomplish, the first time I did it in a dream took 3 tries which required unnecesary physical strengh to get it through. this can be a very unreliable reality check for many because it's not as easy to accomplish as it seems, even in lucids.

I understand it's hard to believe that you are dreaming when you know you are not.

But if you had a lucid dream before, when RCing during day, try to recall, even just for one second, that surprise you felt when you realized you dreaming. Think about how realistic your dream was and what if you are dreaming right now, but you will never know, until you RC.

If you just waiting for your first lucid, read some threads or dream journals where people describe, how realistic it all looked. Sometimes even more realistic and detailed and vivid than waking life.

Just try and think about the possibility, that this waking life is actually a dream. That's what Australian aborigenees believe. And you can find this idea in some budhists books, like Sleep and Dream Yoga.

But than again, not all RCs work for everybody. That's why it's good to practice at least 3-4 of them. Happy dreams

I've always had trouble with this one. If it isn't reliable for you, avoid it I'd say.

Originally Posted by gab

I understand it's hard to believe that you are dreaming when you know you are not.

But if you had a lucid dream before, when RCing during day, try to recall, even just for one second, that surprise you felt when you realized you dreaming. Think about how realistic your dream was and what if you are dreaming right now, but you will never know, until you RC.

If you just waiting for your first lucid, read some threads or dream journals where people describe, how realistic it all looked. Sometimes even more realistic and detailed and vivid than waking life.

Just try and think about the possibility, that this waking life is actually a dream. That's what Australian aborigenees believe. And you can find this idea in some budhists books, like Sleep and Dream Yoga.

But than again, not all RCs work for everybody. That's why it's good to practice at least 3-4 of them. Happy dreams

I do that all the time but when it comes to that reality check, it fails me everytime. the problem is the fact that it can even be difficult to do in Lucid Dreams so of course it wil be even harder in a non lucid one. I chose that one cause it seemed like the easiest and most simplest one to do at the time but it has been highly unreliable at times. I've recently switched to the blowing out of mouth RC because that RC doesn't need belief in order to work. it will work everytime no matter if you believe it will or not. I think the most reliable RC are the ones that work off of typical dream mechanics instead of off ones belief like the pinching nose technique.

Originally Posted by intheworldofnim

I've recently switched to the blowing out of mouth RC because that RC doesn't need belief in order to work.

What is this technique? Keeping your mouth closed and then blowing?

Originally Posted by dms111

What is this technique? Keeping your mouth closed and then blowing?

yep, it's a movement free RC, much better than the "plug your nose" one imo.



heres the thread by atkins513

http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/new-mo...esters-108799/

Originally Posted by intheworldofnim

I've recently switched to the blowing out of mouth RC because that RC doesn't need belief in order to work. it will work everytime no matter if you believe it will or not. I think the most reliable RC are the ones that work off of typical dream mechanics instead of off ones belief like the pinching nose technique.

But blowing out your closed mouth and blowing out your closed nose is the same thing. They work with the same principle.

Originally Posted by dms111

But blowing out your closed mouth and blowing out your closed nose is the same thing. They work with the same principle.

Opps, sry I must of had that rc on the mind when I was talking about the movement free version of it. I meant to say the Finger through hand RC

damnit and I can't edit the post now

Originally Posted by intheworldofnim

I do that all the time but when it comes to that reality check, it fails me everytime. the problem is the fact that it can even be difficult to do in Lucid Dreams so of course it wil be even harder in a non lucid one.

If I understand this right, you are trying to RC in a non-lucid? The thing is, you don't RC in a non lucid, at least not consciously and with purpose. You may happen to RC in non-lucid just as you can do anything else, you think about often during day. But that is not gonna get you lucid.

You become lucid first, because of the awareness training and mantras, and then you RC just to confirm. These two events can be super fast after each other, sometimes it's hard to say, which came first. But in general, you first realize you dreaming, or ask yourself "omg, am I dreaming?" and then you instinctively do RC to confirm.

I never had any say into which RC I will do. It just happens - either my hands show up and I start to count fingers, or I watch myself poke thumb through palm or I'm pinching my nose shut. But those were all just reflexes from the training.

Not sure if this is how it is for others, but this is how it goes down in my lucids.

So I recommend you step up your awareness training to get that first moment of lucidity. Hope this helps.

This is my RC of choice just for the convenience, and it's always worked well for me. I also love the sensation of the finger going through the palm when it actually works, it's weird as HELL.

Strangely, last night I had a lucid where I was pretty confident I was dreaming when I went to RC, but I did it anyways, and it DIDN'T work, not at first. Since I KNEW it was a dream, I pushed harder and I plunged half of my arm through my palm, which was really bizarre because it wasn't coming out the other side, just reaching through into some nether space. A nearby DC freaked out when he saw this.

I think you guys are missing a big part of a reality check. The goal is to remind yourself to see if you are dreaming, so why not do exactly that? Use the reality check and even if it doesn't work, take the time to look around you and notice things. This works as a safety net to the reality checks and might even save you from missing a lucid dream more than you would expect.

Originally Posted by Radioshift

I think you guys are missing a big part of a reality check. The goal is to remind yourself to see if you are dreaming, so why not do exactly that? Use the reality check and even if it doesn't work, take the time to look around you and notice things. This works as a safety net to the reality checks and might even save you from missing a lucid dream more than you would expect.

thing is, it's a lot harder to think of reminding yourself in a none lucid to reality check again when one fails because your not in that state of mind. it takes a lot of training to get to that point.. The thing about dreams is that thinking doesn't work the same, in dreams memory is your method of thought. You make reality checks a habit so that it will carrie on into the dream through memory. if it fails, you will most likely never become lucid even if another aspect of the rc worked. Your reality check will need to work exactly how you remember expecting or else illogical dream nuances will overlap it. one example I have for this would be the first time I had an extended lucid dream, I was trying out all the reality checks, after awhile I wanted to try out the light switch reality check and to my dissapointment, the light switch worked, but only for a few seconds. Soon after my subconscious started taking over and people started appearing, I started questioning whether I was dreaming or not (even though I was lucid just 3 seconds ago) and I told my mom, "how could I be awake now when just 3 minuts ago I was lucid dreaming". see the problem here, the logical part of my brain obviously went to sleep and even though I knew I was dreaming a second ago AND the fact I SAW the light not working COMPLETELY like it was suppose to, I was still able to lose lucidity just like that. illogical dream nuances took over convincing myself I wasn't dreaming all because a reality check (in a LUDID DREAM may I remind you) didn't work exactly how I expected it. So you really have to train yourself to get into that state, and it doesn't help when you are using a reality check that only works half of the time due to a highly unreliable belief system.