GalantaMind/Chline Bitartrate

I have had these two supplements with me for a few weeks, and haven't yet tried them. I've only ever had one lucid dream experience, and it was a DILD. It was fascinating, but short-lived. I'm trying to read as many Lucid Dreaming books as I can before trying this combo, but I'm almost a little anxious about it after hearing about sleep paralysis. I don't know if I've ever experienced sleep paralysis and don't want to freak out.
I know in order to avoid this, I'm supposed to take the combo in the middle of the night. I've read all the threads I could find on this amazing forum concerning this topic, but still wish to gain some more insight before diving into it myself.

I feel if I stay up for some time (i.e... half an hour) like some people have stated, that I'll have a difficult time falling back asleep, unlike if I wake up, swallow the supplements with eyes half-closed and go back into sleep. Are you supposed to take them and eat something?

What have been your experiences? Any input would be so very appreciated!

I set my alarm, take the capsule, then try my damnnest to go straight back to sleep before they kick in (I have trouble getting back to sleep after it starts kicking in, which is usually quick, only around 20 min b/c stomach is empty). However, I'm also an experienced LDer, I don't know if those without experience can just take them and go back to sleep and have an LD without trying to WILD. I don't see the harm in trying though. Some people do get GI upsets from GM, I don't know if eating anything helps, but I personally wouldn't eat in the middle of the night if I was trying to sleep.

Oh, and regarding my experiences with GM...4-hr long lucids. Awesome stuff when it works.

The lucids are way more stable and vivid when on this stuff. Also feels like you dilate time unconsciously because an hour after taking the supplement I usually wake up and have atleast 3-4 dreams to write down. Like Nina I try to take them right before going back to bed. I usually aim for MILD but have managed to catch myself falling asleep a few times, then WILD'ing is pretty easy.

Don't worry about the SP! It's just a feeling that exists in your head. Nothing can harm you, try to enjoy it and go with the flow. It'll be an amazing ride and if you just ignore it and start focusing on whatever you see or perhaps inducing it yourself, it'll go away quickly and you'll be in a dream. Good luck!

Good advice Matte. Also a good rule of thumb to remember when trying to have a lucid dream...EVERYTHING IS NORMAL, so just go with it. I can't tell you how many people come on here because whatever weird thing happened during SP or the transitional state that freaked them out and woke them up so they come on here and ask, what happened to me, is this normal!? YES. Expect weird things to happen, your best bet is to just ignore it and follow the yellow brick road into a dream.

Thank you both SO incredibly much for the helpful responses!
Nina- just a tad bit confused about freaking them out and them waking up. I thought once in SP you couldn't 'wake up' since your body is in REM mode? And... loved the yellow brick road into a dream! :chuckle:

Matte- Also a little puzzled about the same thing I just asked Nina, you wake up after the supplements? I don't know where I read or why I thought once you take the supplements it's like your physical reality is gone and you can't 'wake up' due to REM?

Ya know... now that I think hard about my sleep experiences some time ago, I have experienced feeling out-of-body, but never fully aware of being in SP... which is why I don't think I've ever fully felt SP. I was very sleepy, very heavy, but I snapped out of it and when I tried to move I did.

Another quick question...

What happens if you only take the GM and not Choline? Is Choline's only purpose good for more awareness?

I think this upcoming weekend may be when I'd like to take my first journey with these supplements.

You can wake up from SP quite easily actually, just change your breathing and you'll snap out of it. The feeling might be uncomfortable but it's an amazing opportunity to DEILD if you end up in one. Don't let your fear of something completely natural which might seem scary, control you.

Almost every time I take a pill, I wake up 1 hour or 1½ hour after falling asleep. I'm either in REM then or my dream cycle has just ended. Choline is used with other supplements to enhance the effects.

I think you're overrating these supplements :P They're not wonderpills that'll ensure you go lucid, they just enhance all the factors that makes dreaming enjoyable. Clarity, length, stability and recall. It also ups your chances of actually getting lucid but if the intentions and belief isn't there, chances are you're not going to get lucid. Placebo :)

Good luck! Please report back once you've done it.

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Originally Posted by Matte87

You can wake up from SP quite easily actually, just change your breathing and you'll snap out of it. The feeling might be uncomfortable but it's an amazing opportunity to DEILD if you end up in one. Don't let your fear of something completely natural which might seem scary, control you.

Almost every time I take a pill, I wake up 1 hour or 1½ hour after falling asleep. I'm either in REM then or my dream cycle has just ended. Choline is used with other supplements to enhance the effects.

I think you're overrating these supplements :P They're not wonderpills that'll ensure you go lucid, they just enhance all the factors that makes dreaming enjoyable. Clarity, length, stability and recall. It also ups your chances of actually getting lucid but if the intentions and belief isn't there, chances are you're not going to get lucid. Placebo :)

Good luck! Please report back once you've done it.

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This put me at ease, thank you!! :lol: I don't understand why such paranoia. I have major paranoia in real life, but once things happen, I am so intrigued. I'm very easily affected by any sort of drug or supplements (petite, 94 lbs), and have had my dream recall increase after experimenting with taking one choline (500mg I think?). After that terrifying thread on SP, I am skeeeered LOL I will definitely report back as soon as I do it!

Galantamine is good enough, no more than 4 mg. You better take it in the middle of the night and it takes approx. 1 hour to take effect. In my case I have taken it 5 times and in 100% of the cases I have had LD. No one but 2 or 3 of them in a row. Those LDs have come spontaneously without wilding. At least in my case those LD, are not as vivid as the ones that come " naturally", but they are easier to recall anyway.

My opinion is that people who belief in "afterlife", and have religious beliefs are those that are terrified by thing that happened during SP. I am 100% materialistic. I do no believe in any god or belief that is not base in pure science. Here is a short relation of things that I have experienced during SP.

a) Been dragged sometimes from my legs or my head under the bed.
b) been dragged through an ailes surrounded by bodies of dead people to each side.
c) Feel that "an entity" is pushing me against my bed holding my hands and avoiding to move.
d) Hearing horrifying voices and noises
e) Seing my face in a mirror in a deformed way.

Etc Etc. I have enjoyed such experiences and I used them 100% of the times to realize that I am sleeping. ( Sorry if my english is not good enough)

Quick note on this thread: I can't believe it's been this long, but after quitting a job and having a lot of hecticness, I haven't yet had the opportunity to try this mix! Arrrrggg. However, on a positive note, I've been remembering vivid dreams (with no supplements) and writing them down. So, I hope to have a positive experience after feeling 'nearly' aware within dreams without these supplements, exercising the mind and all...
I can't stand how idiotic I am within dreams. Things that are OBVIOUSLY "not real" seem perfectly real and sensible in dreams. :roll: :eh: As soon as I try the choline & galantamind I will report back

Good luck Unreal, look forward to see how you get on

iv almost just finished my combo. it works perfectly first few times you try it but as you go along the effects reduce as your body becomes used to it. I used to get freaked out when i had SP, and yes you will get SP. now im desperate to get SP as it is the key. every night i aim for SP as when that happens your at the peak of Alpha state.

when you get SP just know every think in your surrounding is in your mind and not physical so it cant harm you so you can afford to relax and not care wbout what your seeing, the more worried you are and scared the more terrifying the exprience will be. it is only a representation of whats in your mind. if your calm and happy its imposible for anything terrifying to come in your sight

for good result make sure your last meal contains proteins and amino acids, then before bed have the Choline then when you wake up middle of the night have the glantamind, that will put you in SP, then from there you ca choose to stay there and explore or enter LD

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Originally Posted by Mrsf0011

iv almost just finished my combo. it works perfectly first few times you try it but as you go along the effects reduce as your body becomes used to it. I used to get freaked out when i had SP, and yes you will get SP. now im desperate to get SP as it is the key. every night i aim for SP as when that happens your at the peak of Alpha state.

when you get SP just know every think in your surrounding is in your mind and not physical so it cant harm you so you can afford to relax and not care wbout what your seeing, the more worried you are and scared the more terrifying the exprience will be. it is only a representation of whats in your mind. if your calm and happy its imposible for anything terrifying to come in your sight

for good result make sure your last meal contains proteins and amino acids, then before bed have the Choline then when you wake up middle of the night have the glantamind, that will put you in SP, then from there you ca choose to stay there and explore or enter LD

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I've read in other threads people who take both at once, what's different with taking choline first and then galantamind? Can you recall more details about how SP comes on with the galantamind? I read that it should be taken as you said in the middle of the night vs when going to sleep because then you don't rest and enter SP, but they made it sound like SP isn't reached the same in the middle of the night if you just get up, take the supplement and go back to bed immediately.

Why do some people also eat and wait 30 min before going back to bed?

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Originally Posted by UnrealReality

they made it sound like SP isn't reached the same in the middle of the night if you just get up, take the supplement and go back to bed immediately.

Why do some people also eat and wait 30 min before going back to bed?

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I can answer this part now, and the rest after consulting Thomas Yuschak's book.

A Wake Back To Bed is intended to make sure the mind is fully awake and you've let the logic circuits kick in so you have a better chance of being aware when you enter SP again. Some people will even do math or complex problem-solving to activate the logic circuits. Many however (like me) find if they stay up for a half hour or so they can't get back to sleep for hours if at all. I need to just get right back to sleep or I might as well get up for the night.

Also the Glantamind takes like 20 minutes to start to kick in and then increases in effectiveness for some time, and people want to try to enter SP right when it's building to its peak.

I'll take a look at the Yucschak book and come back with the rest soon.

You said in the OP that you've red every thread about Galantamine and every book about it - do you have Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements by Thomas Yuschak? If not you should - anyone taking Galantamine should. Plus all these answers are in the Galantamine + Choline thread. Shame on you... :lol:

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Originally Posted by Darkmatters

You said in the OP that you've red every thread about Galantamine and every book about it - do you have Advanced Lucid Dreaming: The Power of Supplements by Thomas Yuschak? If not you should - anyone taking Galantamine should. Plus all these answers are in the Galantamine + Choline thread. Shame on you... :lol:

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:oops: I knooow, which is why I felt silly reiterating a question already posed but I may have been a tad bit paranoid. (Ok.... very... lol)
I'm very sensitive to any sort of pills/supplements sometimes. For example, Choline Bitartrate felt like it turned me upside down and exploded in my stomach. I have Yuschak's book as well, but he doesn't mention anything about what so many mention in the Galantamine section about SP. As soon as I heard and read endlessly about people's experiences, I couldn't go through with popping the supplements without feeling safer. A little secret I'll share with you all.... I've slept with a pillow over my head because I was afraid of having scary visual SP dream/hallucinations. (Go'head... make fun of me, I deserve it. Lol) I've suffered an ongoing pattern of nightmares of persecution, and I felt like I'd die of a heart attack in sleep if I saw someone IN my room LOOKING at me, since in the nightmares they were always outside trying to get in the house & trying to peek through the windows. (The nightmare was resolved though, and I came to peace with it in the dream realm after about four years of the same ongoing pattern) I don't know why I feared SP so much. Not to endorse ANY KIND of illegal substance use, but depending on where one resides it isn't illegal anyway. I'm very into opening awareness and that whole ordeal, and I ordered Salvia Divinorum for myself to use in a spiritual fashion (from the trusted source and researcher, Daniel Seibert). People have had 'scary' things occur, but I never feared that whatsoever in comparison to SP! That's how much it haunted me for whatever reason. Anyway, sorry about going off on a tangent! That can be a whole other thread in the 'other' section. :lol:

I'm going to make a new post on here right away, I finally TRIED THE GALANTAMIND!!!!!!!!! & dreamed endlessly with................ friggin' Gloria Estefan LMAO :cackle:

So, I finally officially tried the Galantamind! But on its own. I didn't down the two supplements together because I wanted to test to see how the Galantamind felt. I'd already tried the Choline prior to going to bed before, and it did increase my dream recall/vividness.

I followed all that I've read on this forum as advised above. I woke in the middle of the night with the alarm and downed one capsule (4 mg) and tried to immediately lay still to fall back into sleep, but my heart began thumping out of my chest. (I'm a nervous freak of nature and suffer panic attacks, ugh) I was so angry with myself. I tried deep breathing to calm down my heart. I read in the "Advanced Lucid Dreaming" book the it has its peak at 1 hour. Well, I wasn't able to fall asleep till way past one hour after ingesting due to my idiotic nerves :roll:
I totally know what you all mean about SP now. I've had vague experiences without this supplement (never ever had SP as a kid, either), but I felt the entering and would try moving my fingers to see if I could. I'm happy to say I had no scary visual SP *BUT* my experience for SP was pathetic. I only got as far as realizing it was very difficult to move my fingers and it didn't seem important enough to try to move. I felt lethargic and heavy. I have vague memory of 'hearing' something but I can't remember what it was.

I didn't enter a LD at all :( But I did have a very lengthy dream with none other than Gloria Estefan :laughhard: & boats/water. And visiting her mother (:eek:??) It had good continuity, and pretty good vividness but I now know for a fact how important combining Galantamind w/ Choline is. I'm already condemning myself for being too much of a chicken, now that I have to wait a couple of days before trying again :wink:

I also did wake with a tad bit of a headache. I'm doing as instructed and downing Piracetam.

Conclusion: Quite a bit affected my results. I didn't immediately fall asleep when first going to sleep for the night, and therefore ended up taking it about 3 hours after falling asleep. I slept in, which I could tell also affected the outcome. Last but not least, I didn't take the important concoction of galantamind & choline together, which is the key. Now that I know how galantamind feels on its own, I won't freak out next time and will report back the full effect in two days when I try again!