Thread: SilverBullet's Newly Revised Key to Lucid Dreaming

Great guide here. I don't doubt that works. Getting those subliminal messages in your mind along with firmly believing you are a "master" at lucid dreaming I think greatly increases your chances of having one.

My favorite part of the guide was the beginning, though... it kind of sounded like an infomercial. lol

Ever since I stopped doing my mantra, and following this guide, my LD rate's been through the roof. You're fucking amazing dude. My LD count was 104 Thursday, now it's 109, three days later. I never have this much luck. Thank you dude.

I'm glad I could help you guys.

I need help on the believing bit. After 80 nights of nothing but one semi lucid, belief is one thing that seems very very difficult to get. If it's the most important part, then am I screwed if I can't get it?

Read step 2 again, I didn't really say you need to believe it. Your subconscious doesn't know what's hard and what isn't. Say if you shot for 10 lucids a night, your subconscious isn't going to go "Oh I don't know if I can do THAT, like maybe at least 1 a night but 10?!". Your subconscious doesn't do that. Just imagine that you are a lucid dreaming master, and that you get many many lucids every night, even if you don't believe it. Your subconscious will though, and that's what matters most.

So my subconscious is an idiot and will believe anything I do? Sounds just as tough as making myself believe I will lucid dream tonight- there just isn't enough factual evidence to support such a claim for me. I can't just be told something and go "Oh yeah, that sounds right". I need a second opinion or some sort of proof.

My own problem I guess. I can at least try.

Haha, well it's not exactly an idiot. Because once it believes it, it makes it true.

And in case I didn't convince you I would like to mention a boy that lost his eyes to cancer when he was young. YouTube - ‪Blind Kid uses Echolocation to "See"‬‏.
When he got older he could see. He does it with echolocation. He sees with sound. Now what is different about him that makes him have that ability and not most other blind people? When he was little, after he lost his eyes he told his mom that he couldn't see. His mother told him that he CAN still see, he can see with his ears, and that he can see with his hands. His mother encouraged him to believe that he could see. And so he did. You can just watch the videos on him.

I'm with origami on this one. Just "feeling" as if I was a master and trying to beleive it hasn't done shit for me in the months I've been trying since your first tutorial.

From what I've seen, this technique works for you so you assume th subconcious has no idea what's going on. If you think and feel as if you were a master your not going to just become a master. Your right, lucid dreaming is not hard, but it does take some time and work. Now for the few people this has worked for this doesn't apply but for most just "feeling" as if you were natural doesn't work.

Hmm, perhaps this has to do with ones bent of character. I really don't know what to say to you rynkrt.

I will give one final tip, but I'm not forcing my beliefs on you. You choose to believe me or not.
What it is that drives this technique isn't so much belief. It's intent, I've yet to mention it because It has to do with what people believe and it can be pretty controversial.

to use intent is "Wishing without wishing, wanting without really wanting."

Here is a quote from don juan:

"In the universe there is an unmeasurable, indescribable force which sorcerers call intent. Absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link. Sorcerers, warriors, are concerned with discussing, understanding, and employing that connecting link. They are especially concerned with cleaning it of the numbing effects brought about by the ordinary concerns of their everyday lives. Sorcery at this level could be defined as the procedure of cleaning one's connecting link to intent." This is what I do, but I don't exactly expect any of you to believe it, as it does sound far fetched.

Great thread.

Originally Posted by SilverBullet

Hmm, perhaps this has to do with ones bent of character. I really don't know what to say to you rynkrt.

I will give one final tip, but I'm not forcing my beliefs on you. You choose to believe me or not.
What it is that drives this technique isn't so much belief. It's intent, I've yet to mention it because It has to do with what people believe and it can be pretty controversial.

to use intent is "Wishing without wishing, wanting without really wanting."

Here is a quote from don juan:

"In the universe there is an unmeasurable, indescribable force which sorcerers call intent. Absolutely everything that exists in the entire cosmos is attached to intent by a connecting link. Sorcerers, warriors, are concerned with discussing, understanding, and employing that connecting link. They are especially concerned with cleaning it of the numbing effects brought about by the ordinary concerns of their everyday lives. Sorcery at this level could be defined as the procedure of cleaning one's connecting link to intent." This is what I do, but I don't exactly expect any of you to believe it, as it does sound far fetched.

So you basically passively want lucids but you do absolutely nothing to get them?

Firstly, WOOT at Silverbullets avatar, ALUCARD is boss.

Secondly, believing is impossible (yeah I went there) when there is only the success of others to go on. I can't just know I'm going to lucid dream tonight purely because you do in yourself. It just doesn't work like that. If however I had worked my arse off for weeks doing R.C.s and the like, and I expected myself to have a lucid, because I felt I had reached the pinnacle of R.C.s, then I most likely would.

"Believe isn't told or taught, it is discovered"

Thats a famous quote from Ori Gami. He's a wise guy.

Originally Posted by rynkrt3

So you basically passively want lucids but you do absolutely nothing to get them?

No. That's not what I meant. It's almost like "knowing" something is going to happen, but that isn't quite right either. Like Don Juan says "If I tried to explain intent I would just be talking in circles"
The only way to truly find out what it is, is to find out on your own.

Originally Posted by Origami

Firstly, WOOT at Silverbullets avatar, ALUCARD is boss.

Secondly, believing is impossible (yeah I went there) when there is only the success of others to go on. I can't just know I'm going to lucid dream tonight purely because you do in yourself. It just doesn't work like that. If however I had worked my arse off for weeks doing R.C.s and the like, and I expected myself to have a lucid, because I felt I had reached the pinnacle of R.C.s, then I most likely would.

"Believe isn't told or taught, it is discovered"

Thats a famous quote from Ori Gami. He's a wise guy.

Once again its not really belief.

Say, if you were going to drop a ball on the ground. Even if you believe as hard as possible that it wont drop when you let go doesn't change the fact that it's still going to hit the ground. Now, when using intent, you may even do things that defy rationality. But you can only do something of that level only when you have cleansed your link with intent(along with some other complicated things). By that I mean losing our bonds with daily life, and becoming impeccable.

What if you think of it like this,... When you dream, when you are dreaming, you have everything you need to lucid dream right there and then, you dont need much more else to realise your dreaming, if you believe that you can realise your dreaming when you are dreaming, then... you will. Because what else more do you need? some secret code? no. See what i'm getting at?. you all have points, but belief can work, and if it doesnt, you can find a way with just trying or making your subconscious believe you lucid dream every night. The fact your saying believing in it is impossible, just increases your doubt in not only the technique all together, but yourself. I admit i'v been trying to do this, but not much result . I'm in a bad lucid crisis dry spell., But i believe that silverbullets method, some way or another, IS going to get my out of it. So think of it like that: Your dreaming, and your in that moment, you need nothing more to lucid dream,. Just yourself. You can do it alone. And you can just use your subconscious to assist you in other ways,. I'v used the subconscious methods before. They worked once or twice, and they need elements,. Trust, Belief, Intent, Confidence, . But those elements are EASY to obtain. Confidence is being positive about the technique, Trust is trusting your mind, belief in the fact you can do this, and intent is the emotion your giving into your focus of what your doing. See what i mean?. :/ . I hope i make sense . Sorry if its long lol.

Originally Posted by LucidRaider

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Wow, couldn't of said it better myself.

Agh, I realize I sound as if I'm contradicting myself. For me, intent is the main element in this technique. But all the other elements lucidraider mentioned are needed too.

Man, this technique is so simple yet so infinitely complex.

I think I have it though- ahem.

If you know you will lucid, you will. If you know that when you get out of bed your feet will touch carpet, then they will. Mainly because there is not a shadow of a doubt in your mind that there is carpet under your bed. When you go into a dream, all you have to do is know that somewhere in the dream is a clear point, where you will become lucid. So far for me this is easy, I mean where else will I become lucid? On the bus? Nope.
So if I go to bed, and have a dream, I know already at some point somewhere there is a clear, defining moment and point where I can get lucid. I just walk past it every time. Like I know it's there, I just don't want to know.

I miss it because I don't have a goal. I go to sleep, to dream. No questions, no reason. If we went to sleep to lucid, then we would. If we did it once before it's like going to bed to sleep- we know we did it, we know we can do it again.
If we go to sleep with the intent, real intent like "I'm going to bed to have a lucid, nothing else", then your mind will expect, like the carpet and the dreams, that lucids should follow.

AmIdoingitrite?

Originally Posted by Origami

So my subconscious is an idiot and will believe anything I do? Sounds just as tough as making myself believe I will lucid dream tonight- there just isn't enough factual evidence to support such a claim for me. I can't just be told something and go "Oh yeah, that sounds right". I need a second opinion or some sort of proof.

My own problem I guess. I can at least try.

There is actually factual evidence. When you think it fires off neurons or something like that. The more you think about something, the easier it will fire off. I don't know the whole thing but it does come from signals in the brain.

As SilverBullet said, the subconscious doesn't know the truth. It believes any thought you think and works so make that happen.

This tutorial is very good, especially for people new to lucid dreaming as they don't understand the whole concept of belief until later. Lucid dreaming is all in the brain. All the techniques, they are all there to try and change your mind to realise you're dreaming one way or another, right? Maybe except WILD.

But remember that this isn't a quick fix like some threads about vitamins and food. This is something to work on with your mind. I'm busy with school at the moment so I haven't given it a real change and real work, but it's already gotten me lucid dreams and I plan on really going for it in the summer, with little other techniques. Maybe a WBTB each night and a dream journal. I truely believe this is the way to go with lucid dreaming. It makes perfect sense.

Wow, I never thought this would of worked but I think it just did last night!!! I've been trying to get lucid for a while with no luck but this has done it!
Problem is the lucid wasn't very vivid, at one point I just clocked on that it was a dream and looked at my hands straight away but I cant remember if I had more than 5 fingers. Anyway I imagined what I wanted to be past the door, and when I opened it, it was there. Could this be just a normal dream? Because those are the steps in my head that I go over before I go to sleep.

I do think it was a lucid though and have to thank you for that!!

If you could look around and decide what you wanted to do, then that was lucid. If you knew it was a dream and could feel everything vividly, but were still taken along for the ride like normal dreams, that was semi lucid.

Thanks for the clarification, was 100% a lucid dream then! Thanks again SilverBullet.

For those who might be interested this is what I did and worked for me:
As I got into bed I watched a video of wanted I wanted to dream of to get me pumped and excited. Then I got cocky with myself and said I was born with the skill to lucid dream, I dont even have to think about it. Just like im breathing automatically the lucid dreams the same way. Worked

I don't understand how to actually do this. Like, do you repeat a mantra before bed? I don't get it, it sounds like you just know you will become lucid, but thats basically doing nothing at all. Could someone please explain how to actually have a lucid without trying... or w/e this is.

I think rynkrt3, it's basically telling yourself over and over you are the best at lucid dreaming and you can and do have them whenever you want. You don't say it over and over until it is drummed into your head, you just have to at least pretend you believe it. Like deltz said, act all cocky and confident, that "Yeah, lucid dreaming is easy, I'm not worried or concerned about whether or not I will have one tonight, because I will have one. I have been practicing and trying and so now there is no way I won't have one tonight".

Just pretend you know you will have one. Think of it like your subconscious is listening to you, and is trying to do it's best to do what you want (it is actually). If it hears that you are a master lucid dreamer and you're going to have one tonight, it will try to have one, rather than just happen across one when you lay in bed at 4 in the morning not moving.

Originally Posted by Origami

I think rynkrt3, it's basically telling yourself over and over you are the best at lucid dreaming and you can and do have them whenever you want. You don't say it over and over until it is drummed into your head, you just have to at least pretend you believe it. Like deltz said, act all cocky and confident, that "Yeah, lucid dreaming is easy, I'm not worried or concerned about whether or not I will have one tonight, because I will have one. I have been practicing and trying and so now there is no way I won't have one tonight".

Just pretend you know you will have one. Think of it like your subconscious is listening to you, and is trying to do it's best to do what you want (it is actually). If it hears that you are a master lucid dreamer and you're going to have one tonight, it will try to have one, rather than just happen across one when you lay in bed at 4 in the morning not moving.

Well, that is exactly what I have been doing for over a month, and it has yet to give me any results.