How come my friend gets LDs so much and I don't?

Yeah, I have a friend that really is a natural LD-er. He has received no training on this subject, and never thought it was strange until I told him about all of these guys over here at DV having so much trouble just to notice that one is dreaming.

His kind of LD is not strictly speaking, ordinary: he doesn't actually have any DILDs. None I have known, at least. What he tells me is that he plans out the dream while waking up. Whenever we meet, the thing we talk about is "what should he dream about tonight." His dreams seem to take place in a parallel universe in 2020, and that one dream corresponds to one day passing in the parallel universe. Therefore sometimes it seems like a big TV series. Each day in his dream ends with falling asleep, which brings him back to the real world. He does it 4-5 times a week.

How does he actually do it? I mean, without training??? :shock: He could almost beat Stephen LaBerge, man! Is there some kind of trick to make all of your dreams lucid? Apparently yes, since in LaBerge's book there was this FAQ which stated "What happens if all of your dreams become lucid" and LaBerge answered something like you need to control it.

So apparently some people have the natural ability to dream whatever they like with complete lucidity?

ludr , hi my friend.

sometimes there are few ppl who can have LD's easily because they want to LD and thats their point after sleep.

the thing ur friend does is
he plans a dream and he thinks about it all the time. so when he will sleep the thinking will go to that dream and that thinkin will be a dream , so ur friend will realize that he just planned this dream and wanted to have this dream and he knows that he is dream.
from that moment he is Luciding ;)


karli

Yes some people have a natural ability to become lucid in their dreams. They are typically aware of the feeling of a dream. This allows them to become lucid.

Your friend is also incubating his dreams. With practice you can decide what dreams to have before you are sleeping.

You may not be a natural but if you keep practicing you can have lucid dreams every day.

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Originally Posted by ludr

Yeah, I have a friend that really is a natural LD-er. He has received no training on this subject, and never thought it was strange until I told him about all of these guys over here at DV having so much trouble just to notice that one is dreaming.

His kind of LD is not strictly speaking, ordinary: he doesn't actually have any DILDs. None I have known, at least. What he tells me is that he plans out the dream while waking up. Whenever we meet, the thing we talk about is "what should he dream about tonight." His dreams seem to take place in a parallel universe in 2020, and that one dream corresponds to one day passing in the parallel universe. Therefore sometimes it seems like a big TV series. Each day in his dream ends with falling asleep, which brings him back to the real world. He does it 4-5 times a week.

How does he actually do it? I mean, without training??? :shock: He could almost beat Stephen LaBerge, man! Is there some kind of trick to make all of your dreams lucid? Apparently yes, since in LaBerge's book there was this FAQ which stated "What happens if all of your dreams become lucid" and LaBerge answered something like you need to control it.

So apparently some people have the natural ability to dream whatever they like with complete lucidity?

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Two things.

1. Though Stephen Laberge is an expert on the subject, there are many whose LD's span far beyond his own.

2. Never compare yourself with anyone other than the person you were yesterday. Get used to the fact that some people are born with higher levels of talent than others. In my book, talent beats skill 9 times out of 10. I'd rather be skilled at a craft than talented at a craft. Skill comes from hours and horus and hours of relentless beating on your craft. Understand?

I agree with Skill>talent. If you take the time and effort to practice and become so in tune with whatever it is you are practicing, that will always beat someone who just relies on their talent "gut feeling". You know, like you just have a knack for something, thats a talent. But that talent has come with 0 experience, and thus no mistake, and therefore no corrections and so it is unimproved.

Skill has been tested, tried and built up and expanded. Talent is basically just a foundation.

Your friend may have a talent for LDing, but if you develop a skill, you are more well rounded and integrated into the art of LDing.

I'm not saying you should tell him this and start up a big friendship ruining LD battle, I'm just contributing to the thread.

what one man can do another man can do, dream incubation is your friends lucid dreaming style. Find out what yours is then master it like your friend is mastering his. " a man of many things is a master of nothing" namaste :)

Remember: Many people never lose their ability to lucid dream, from childhood. What they experience and do with it, during that time, only they know, but someone who has had continuous experience with lucid dreaming is bound to have some handle of it, but the time they are young adults. While it may be frustrating to some people who are just getting into the subject, or haven't yet honed the skills enough to have good control, they can only keep practicing on their own and wait for the day when their level of experience reaches the levels that those before them have already surpassed.

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Originally Posted by Jeff777

Two things.

1. Though Stephen Laberge is an expert on the subject, there are many whose LD's span far beyond his own.

2. Never compare yourself with anyone other than the person you were yesterday. Get used to the fact that some people are born with higher levels of talent than others. In my book, talent beats skill 9 times out of 10. I'd rather be skilled at a craft than talented at a craft. Skill comes from hours and horus and hours of relentless beating on your craft. Understand?

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i think you meant to say skill beats talent.

It sounds like he is dream incubating. Is he aware that he is dreaming during? It doesn't sound like it.

I would love to talk to him about it. My dream incubating can only do 2 things:
carry on from a dream I was just in
keep my level of awareness from the dream I was just in

So if I dream incubate my level of awareness stays the same. If I wasn't lucid, I won't become lucid. Normally my level of awareness gets greater as the night goes in, unless I keep the dream.
OR If I was lucid, I will realize I am dreaming in the next one as well.

I use the same technique, but I can't get a lucid dream back, I just become lucid again. Not really a bad thing. :P

I want to talk to him about incubating a dream at the beginning of the night... maybe I should focus on this... thinking.


Also! I agree Skill beats talent. One of the big things I see is that natural LDers don't care about LDs much (some exceptions). But then some that LD even more than naturals love LDs, because it is something they worked for and fought for and died (in the dream) for. :P
You also learn a lot about yourself if you are developing a skill. This will help you in life.

For instance: interview
Interviewer:What are your weaknesses?
You: I don't have any :shadewink:
Interviewer::shock: :okbyenow:

or

Interviewer:What are your weaknesses?
You: Sometimes I lose track of the small picture and just focus on what the outcome will be. This makes me overlook things on occasion. I have been working to fix this.
Interviewer::shock: This guy is hot. I want to make his children:hump:

Some of my examples might be exaggerated

^that bit at the end was funny :lol:

Dream incubation? Could I hear more about this? It's a really intresting subject and seems pretty relevant to me. Mine aren't lucid, but I can basically decide what I want to dream about at night, and 8/10 times I usually do; I've been that way since I was a younger kid. I use to constantly night after night pick up where I left off, even though I wasn't technically lucid, but it was great!

Also, I feel kind of like Brandon in the sense I can keep a dream going. When I wake up in the morning, after a non-lucid dream, I can typiclly go back to sleep, and come back to that dream non lucid.

For example-
This morning I forgot my dream, so, I closed my eyes and went back to sleep. I did this about 5 times at intervals of thirty minutes. :shock: Haha, but I remembered my dreams and -Bam- Dream Journal log.

On another note, I agree with the rest, skill over talent. Skill is like forging a sword, Talent is like being given the Holy Knight's "Perfect" sword. Skill is almost like a bond, with real effort put into it, and much more is learned.

Your friend has a great gift, but try and dedicate yourself! With enough time in the forge, maybe you will even pass him. It's all about dedication. :goodjob2:

And Brandon.. Hah! I love it. :clap: