Thread: Lucid dreaming without methods of induction. Instant?

Interesting. Im going to try the online version in a minute

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Interesting. Im going to try the online version in a minute

When you do in pitch blackness it has an interesting sensation to it..
You can almost see how if it was much brighter you might actually get something from it.

Originally Posted by atkins513

When you do in pitch blackness it has an interesting sensation to it..
You can almost see how if it was much brighter you might actually get something from it.

The brightness isn't strong and it's a shame that it stops and starts at times outside of its supposed operating frequency. I didn't experience anything unusual.

yea, when i did it at night, in pitch blackness, using my 54 inch big screen tv as my monitor sitting close to it.. the sensation was wierd and it felt much like i was having Hypnogogic Imagery.. So I wonder if this is something that can induce wild using very bright light source or led.

Hyper Bright Light Emitting Diodes and a simple oscillating timer might do the trick.

Have you found any research on frequencies yet?

Yes, if you search brion gyson, the guy who invented this supposed machine, he supposedly figured out the best frequencies, although I have read the dreaming frequency is 8mhz or something.. further research needs to be done.. but the flashing running at the accurate frequency supposedly puts your brain into dreaming state very fast, inducting a wild. I dunno, its all hypothesis so far...

His website is sparse to say the least. Others must have played about with this but as its not mainstream it may only work for a few rare individuals like it would induce epilepsy in a tiny amount of people. I'm going to have a hunt and I am pricing up the components right now to make a circuit board that will fit in my old rem dreamer mask but using standard LED's and a simple '555' IC timer.

Well doesn't one of the new Dream style masks have the option to do exactly what we are talking about? pulsing lights continuously at a frequency set by you?

Anything is possible but my feeling is that it would do nothing but irritate me. It might be akin to those glasses 'they' sell that produces flashing red lights when you fall asleep (and enter REM) to remind the dreamer they are in a dream.

Well, yes and no. Those "glasses" masks you are talking about are supposed to flash after you have fallen asleep.. What I am discussing is said to put you into dream state with no prior work. Just put on the masks and the high speed strobe timed to the brains sleep frequency puts you into lucid dreamland. Now this is all hypothetical hence why we are discussing it

Originally Posted by atkins513

Well doesn't one of the new Dream style masks have the option to do exactly what we are talking about? pulsing lights continuously at a frequency set by you?

I looked for the nova dreamer pro as mentioned in the film and I can't find one. The one in that vid may just be a regular LD'ing mask.

Im still looking for information on this.. are we going to have to build one of the generic ones using a lamp to test the effect lol

Ive spent an hour looking around and a few reports of visuals but no lucid dreams yet.

I can make a mask device for a few pounds. I would like to experience the visuals if nothing else.

probably.. i have seen many howtos on the internet for do it yourself lucid dreaming masks that use leds, and they are all no more than 5$us

we have to test this theory until we have an answer...

Ive read that the visuals are quite amazing and can take up to fifteen minutes to fully develop and at a frequency that is suitable to one's brain. I have read elsewhere of someone using alpha frequencies using auditory brainwave entrainment and had the same effect but it took over an hour.

I have seen this before. I don't know much about it, but I know it is supposed to cause visuals. I will keep my eye on this thread...

This is definitely something we need to look more into, for instance, what if when used with wbtb it has close to 100 percent success rate after only a few minutes.. or when used in the early morning without going back to sleep.. so many options.. and this is something i have wanted to explore for a while...

Lets say for example it can be used to develop fantastic visuals in fifteen minutes and the mask automatically turns off and see if the visuals can be worked with to induce a WILD as you say Atkins with a WBTB?

Possibly, there are lots of options if this is genuine. Wonder how come no one else is paying any attention to this post at all? lol

Dunno, Ive always liked gadgets. I made my first lucid dream machine in 1986. Just grabs my attention, that's why I'm here. I don't expect this to work but one of Gysin's friends played around with this for years and his results were displayed in a journal in the 60's I think. Im going to get some veroboard and put a simple oscillating timer on it with a couple of white LED's. I'll have a switch for frquencies from 8 to 13 Hz and a dimmer for the LED's to get the right brightness. Then I'll stick the board in the pouch that is on my lucid dreaming mask that is in my drawer. Looks like it's going to get some use after all !!!

lol.. let me know how it works out. How long will it take you to make it?

Ive been looking up on it and my gadget would create square wave pulses, not good as that can cause seizures, but I don't think Im susceptible but to be on the safeside It might be wise for me to make a sine wave generator. That may take me a little research but hopefully by the weekend I reckon

ok cool... let me know, meanwhile ill keep researching this and some other things