does CAT (cycle adjustment technique) work well??? can you extend how much sleep you get?

**somniumrex** · 01-03-2011 09:00 PM

i've read about CAT. it sounds like pure genious! but it also sounds taxing. the question is: does it work? has anyone tried it with success? if so what is the success rate?

it seems a lot of people don't want to try it because it disrupts sleep schedules. i however usually sleep for at least nine hours a night. i work in the evening usually so it wouldn't be a problem for me to get 9.5 hours of sleep a night. meaning reducing it every other day by an hour and a half would take me down to 8 hours, more than enough sleep! would it still work or does the sleep deprivation thing have something to do with making it work?

i'm actually imagining no one has any idea which is why there is so little info on it on here. nonetheless i figured i'd give this a shot since i'm really curious and i can't find it anywhere.

**aktw4** · 01-03-2011 09:10 PM

I believe a user on here is going to give it a go. I'm not sure where the thread is though.

**somniumrex** · 01-03-2011 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by aktw4

I believe a user on here is going to give it a go. I'm not sure where the thread is though.

okay thanks, if you remember could you let me know when/if you find out?

**frederom** · 01-09-2011 11:37 PM

You could use the zéo device to understand your sleep better Zeo Personal Sleep Coach - Home it show you a lot of stuff about your sleep including your REM cycle through the night.

**somniumrex** · 01-10-2011 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by frederom

You could use the zéo device to understand your sleep better Zeo Personal Sleep Coach - Home it show you a lot of stuff about your sleep including your REM cycle through the night.

spam?

**frederom** · 01-10-2011 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by somniumrex

spam?

sorry... I agree it looks like a spam

first: In order to do the CAT technique your sleep schedule must be regular to start out with. This means a fairly stable bed time as well as a regular wake time. This is one technique where it is recommended that you wake via an alarm clock. (CAT tutorial on dremviews) the zeo help you do that... really i just wanted to help.

the sleep deprivation will help you be lucid because it increases your amount of sleep in REM the next day (when you come back to your normal waking hour) more REM= more chance to be lucid...

but without the habit of doing reality check and keeping your mind busy up until 90 min after you woke up this technique will be way less effective cuz even if the CAT technique make your frontal lob (logical part of the brain) reactivate before waking up it's not enough... this technique is taking advantage of your new habit of waking up early! your mind is waking up before your body... witch make you less stupid in the dream (more likely to recognize dream signs). But if you want to be more aware (lucid) the only good way is to do reality checks and lucid stuff up to 90 min after you woke up.

**somniumrex** · 01-10-2011 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by frederom

sorry... I agree it looks like a spam

first: In order to do the CAT technique your sleep schedule must be regular to start out with. This means a fairly stable bed time as well as a regular wake time. This is one technique where it is recommended that you wake via an alarm clock. (CAT tutorial on dremviews) the zeo help you do that... really i just wanted to help.

the sleep deprivation will help you be lucid because it increases your amount of sleep in REM the next day (when you come back to your normal waking hour) more REM= more chance to be lucid...

but without the habit of doing reality check and keeping your mind busy up until 90 min after you woke up this technique will be way less effective cuz even if the CAT technique make your frontal lob (logical part of the brain) reactivate before waking up it's not enough... this technique is taking advantage of your new habit of waking up early! your mind is waking up before your body... witch make you less stupid in the dream (more likely to recognize dream signs). But if you want to be more aware (lucid) the only good way is to do reality checks and lucid stuff up to 90 min after you woke up.

oh okay! thanks very much. that makes a lot of sense. someday when i have lots of money maybe i'll get one of those things as they do sound very cool. right now i can barely afford gas to get to work

i appreciate the information though

i do lots of reality checks all day. i have a list of ten specific cues (like every time i enter a building, turn on a tv, etc.) and i also do them any time things seem strange or dream like. but you make a good point about a regular sleep cycle. i need to make mine much more regular, right now it kind of fluctuates which i realize is bad for this technique.

i'm really curious though: would this principle work if i sleep for ten hours a night regularly and then switch to 8.5 for a week and then do 10/8.5/10/8.5/and so on? i'm kind of thinking you wouldn't get the REM rebound from the deprivation considering that over eight hours of sleep doesn't really count as deprivation. however it could still work based on the idea of your brain being used to you being awake at that time. i'm trying to think of a way to do this method without being really tired every other day. what do you think?

**frederom** · 01-10-2011 06:40 AM

yeah I see your point. I guess you'll just have a little rebound on REM sleep. but I truly believe the technique still works only you may not have the best dream recall like they said in the original tutorial.
But again this depend on the dreamer (some need more sleep than other) maybe you could try both way (like go from 8 hours of sleep to 6:30 and your way 10 hours to 8:30 and see if the results are similar) I'd like some answer on that to

but instead of using sleep deprivation to increase REM sleep you could used some lucid aids... nothing big as galantamine but B1,B2,B6,B12 vitamin are good for memory(dream recall) b-50 complex if you don't want to buy them separately
I'm happy to see that you take your RCing duties seriously keep the good work.
good luck, frederom.

**ninja9578** · 01-10-2011 02:52 PM

Everyone who I know who have tried it have had success using it. It just is a long-term technique and not very practical if you have school or work. Most people who do it are students during summer break.

**somniumrex** · 01-10-2011 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Everyone who I know who have tried it have had success using it. It just is a long-term technique and not very practical if you have school or work. Most people who do it are students during summer break.

okay ninja thanks a lot! it does interfere with sleep schedules. like let's say you work at six AM and you normally go to bed at nine and get up at five, this method has you getting up at three thirty after only six and a half hours of sleep and really messing up your sleep schedule as well as making you groggy. my question is: what happens if you just go to bed at seven pm and so you're getting ten hours of sleep anyway and then waking at three thirty but it's been eight and a half hours of sleep. then it's practical for working stiffs like myself, right? the question is: will it still work?