Thread: Method for Attaining Lucidity

Originally Posted by Nightmare

however, I added a twist to the method in that I also tried to write the words "I am dreaming" in my mind's eye, or on the back of my eyelids if you will.I could see the words take shape, and then suddenly I was looking at a picture of a tree, still repeating "I am dreaming". That's when I realized I was dreaming. A quick reality check confirmed my suspicion, and there I was. Dreamland. Awesome.

I hate to sound like a broken record but the simplest way to a LD is by visual meditation. Practice relaxation techniques and visualize ... anything. The act of visualization and the occurrence of dreams both activate a section of our big human brain called the secondary visual cortex. This is not junk science, magic or voodoo but scientific fact. I have to chuckle to myself when reading some lucid dreaming 'methods' ... but yours is valid. P.S. It is also interesting to note how often a single tree shows up in LDs, but now I digress. Happy dreaming!

Originally Posted by topten35

I did part of this last night, friday night. But i didn't wait til hours after sleeping, i did it when i went to sleep that night, i produced those words mentally in my mind, and in written form. But i added a little twist, i added what i wanted to dream saying it mentall in my mind and forming it in written word in my mind.

It worked partly, i got the dream, almost, it came in a different form but it was basically what i wanted but, i wasn't fully aware, only partly aware that i was dreaming. In a way i knew it was a dream, but i still had a fear that it wasn't a dream and i was afraid to do what i wanted to. I'm going to try this again tonight, and if i dream, i'm going to report whether or not i got lucid and had the dream that i wanted.

Awesome!

So, it appears that the double affirmation can be used for dream incubation as well. I will have to try this and report back my results. This could be another means to becoming lucid in that once you find yourself in the dreamscape / dream situation you implanted into your mind, lucidity is only a quick RC away.

It seems that this is a way of taking advantage of the edge-of-sleep state you get after waking up sometimes or right before falling asleep. I myself have entered LDs from that state, and I suspect that the same mechanism is at root here. For that reason, I think this will only work if:
A. You can time it so you begin the repetition as you are actually falling asleep
B. You have all ready been sleeping immediately before using this technique.

I'll give it a try.

Is this kind of like a wild. It sounds like it. Since after all you are in a way staying conscious while falling asleep. I like it though. Might try it tonight, post results tomorrow if i do it.

I'm going to give this a shot. It sounds really promising.

I had another lucid last night using this method and i still remember the dream. In fact i also got up earlier than usual today, did a few things, and later that afternoon i had a nice wild. I even felt sp, and had a tremendous feeling of pressure on me while i was sleeping, i don't know how i went to sleep so fast, but the sp was incredible. Tonight i'm going to try what you said again, and see if i can incubate the kind of lucid dream that i want.

Update: It worked Felt like a short nap, tried it out, got lucid^^ unfortunately only for a few minutes, and not that vivid.. but hey I posted it here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f13/i-did-108402/, and also included a link to here since that's what worked
So, Nightmare, THANKS

Just woke up after using technique last night. It worked for me. I don't remember exactly, but i do remember having a lucid dream, and i remember some of what happened in it. But this could have been a random fluke. I will try again tonight if possible.

Originally Posted by jmanjohn

Is this kind of like a wild. It sounds like it. Since after all you are in a way staying conscious while falling asleep. I like it though. Might try it tonight, post results tomorrow if i do it.

This isn't really like a WILD in my opinion. It's more like a DILD where you are suddenly telling yourself you are dreaming. With WILD you go from waking to sleep paralysis to dreaming. With the double affirmation, you go from sleeping to dreaming and become lucid while dreaming.

Originally Posted by topten35

I had another lucid last night using this method and i still remember the dream. In fact i also got up earlier than usual today, did a few things, and later that afternoon i had a nice wild. I even felt sp, and had a tremendous feeling of pressure on me while i was sleeping, i don't know how i went to sleep so fast, but the sp was incredible. Tonight i'm going to try what you said again, and see if i can incubate the kind of lucid dream that i want.

Good stuff topten35. Congrats on the lucid, and let us know how the double affirmation works for dream incubation.

Originally Posted by Ayanizz

Update: It worked Felt like a short nap, tried it out, got lucid^^ unfortunately only for a few minutes, and not that vivid.. but hey I posted it here: http://www.dreamviews.com/f13/i-did-108402/, and also included a link to here since that's what worked
So, Nightmare, THANKS

Congrats Ayanizz! I'm glad I could help. In order to increase vividness and stability, I recommend rubbing your hands together. It works quite well for me.

Originally Posted by jmanjohn

Just woke up after using technique last night. It worked for me. I don't remember exactly, but i do remember having a lucid dream, and i remember some of what happened in it. But this could have been a random fluke. I will try again tonight if possible.

It doesn't sound like a fluke to me, but who knows, maybe it was. If you could let us know whether it works or not next time you try that would be great.

Originally Posted by Nightmare

It doesn't sound like a fluke to me, but who knows, maybe it was. If you could let us know whether it works or not next time you try that would be great.

I meant a fluke as in it might have happened with or without the technique. For me to verify i need to try it multiple times and have it work more than once on those tries. If possible, as i mentioned, i will try again and possibly use this every night this week. I love testing out different ways to go lucid since wilding is incredibly hard for me. I've been lucid dreaming for around 5 years, gotten a ton of LD's. But out of the dozens of tries on wilding none of them worked. I've done around 5 different variations of the WILD too. So if this works u are a life savor.

This sounds like a really good idea I'm going to try the WBTB tonite to get my first LD.

I'm going to try this either in a nap this afternoon, or tonight, but I have one question for you.
Do you need to kinda lay still like the WILD technique, or can you roll over all you want as long as you focus on the mantra and the visuals?

Hi BloodyHell,

For me personally, getting extremely comfortable so that I would fall asleep is what worked. If you roll around to get comfortable, by all means do it, just make sure to repeat the affirmation mentally and do the visualization.

Good luck !

Allright thanks!
I'll just get comfortable and do relaxation techniques and do the affirmation and visialization
It's not like I roll over all the time, but I think it would be easier to just lay comforable on one side, because I tend to lose concentration on something when I roll over (allot).

In a way this technique worked for my but in the end turned out to be more of an MILD....I tried 3-4 techniques last night and this morning. Needless to say I feel like the affirmations are what did it for me so thanks, I will be trying this method again.

Inspired by your thread I decided to try this out.
The visualising really helps me stay awake I like it.
I try it a few times during the week but I was too tired and fell asleep.

Today I woke about 1 hour before I needed to get up. I had a few dream fragments and was dissapointed I couldn't remember much.

Decided to give it a try. I was really tired, and stressed about my day so I wanted to relax and have a nice lucid. ( I get lots of lucids if I can sleep again early in the morning)

I started visualising the 'I am dreaming' I didn't even get to finish the sentence I was in some vivid HI. I wake up.. but still inspired I tried again.

Entered 3 very nice, long and vivid lucid dreams, chained together I didn't have time to write them as I over sleept my hour. I'll write them up in the next day or so.

I'v had success with WILD before but from the last few days and tonight the visualisation really helps stay focused. I find once HI starts up I lose concentration and fall asleep this seems to help, keep my attached, the other day I came close to getting lucid too but was soo tired I fell asleep..

Originally Posted by motagota

Inspired by your thread I decided to try this out.
The visualising really helps me stay awake I like it.
I try it a few times during the week but I was too tired and fell asleep.

Today I woke about 1 hour before I needed to get up. I had a few dream fragments and was dissapointed I couldn't remember much.

Decided to give it a try. I was really tired, and stressed about my day so I wanted to relax and have a nice lucid. ( I get lots of lucids if I can sleep again early in the morning)

I started visualising the 'I am dreaming' I didn't even get to finish the sentence I was in some vivid HI. I wake up.. but still inspired I tried again.

Entered 3 very nice, long and vivid lucid dreams, chained together I didn't have time to write them as I over sleept my hour. I'll write them up in the next day or so.

I'v had success with WILD before but from the last few days and tonight the visualisation really helps stay focused. I find once HI starts up I lose concentration and fall asleep this seems to help, keep my attached, the other day I came close to getting lucid too but was soo tired I fell asleep..

Awesome man, glad this worked for you!

Originally Posted by stprue

In a way this technique worked for my but in the end turned out to be more of an MILD....I tried 3-4 techniques last night and this morning. Needless to say I feel like the affirmations are what did it for me so thanks, I will be trying this method again.

This technique is a MILD I guess, but with a visual twist. A double affirmation of sorts. I've been on a week long drought, I'm gonna try this in conjunction with DEILD.

That's pretty cool, I'll ahve to try that sometime.

I tried this last night before going to sleep, but I found that I couldn't get asleep.
I think this is more a wbtb method from what I have read? I gues it could be used before going to sleep, but I'm not very good at it :p (especialy the visuals, but I'll keep trying )

This method sounds pretty good to me, I'll have to test it out tonight. But I was wondering, this is a WBTB technique so does that mean I have to stay awake for 20 minutes before going back to sleep? This is essencially a MILD so could I just try it right after I wake up without being awake for too long?

One thing I'm finding is that whether it be WBTB or WILD technique to LD, the time you stay awake is different for everyone. For me if I stay awake for more the 10 minutes it gets difficult to fall back asleep. Everyone needs to find their own optimum time up before returning to bed.

Originally Posted by johns56469

This method sounds pretty good to me, I'll have to test it out tonight. But I was wondering, this is a WBTB technique so does that mean I have to stay awake for 20 minutes before going back to sleep? This is essencially a MILD so could I just try it right after I wake up without being awake for too long?

This technique has worked best for me when I took naps, but with WBTB I would say if you visualize better after a short waking period, use a short one. If you get better visuals / HI after 20 minutes or more, wait that long.

Hmm...this sounds like a good method. Definitely gonna have to give this a shot tonight.