For those of you who have had success with this, do you put it on before bed, or during a wbtb. I've tried it three times so far and nada. I think I might try it during a wbtb.
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For those of you who have had success with this, do you put it on before bed, or during a wbtb. I've tried it three times so far and nada. I think I might try it during a wbtb.
I put it on when I get into bed, then take it off in the morning. I have no idea why this works, but it works for some, and not for others. I had a lucid on the first night I tried it, but my friend tried it for about a week with no results.
So I've taken my watch and taped two pennies stacked on top of one another to the inside. Going to try it tonight with this and I'll post results tomorrow, very curious to see how well this works. Even if it's a placebo effect, the end result will still be a lucid dream (hopefully)!
Most likely a placebo. Pressure points have no influence on mental awareness, asides from causing you to blackout if struck violently.
Congrats on some good results though, who knows :)
Please send me a link to any clinical studies you have regarding your findings.Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidApprentice
Ever since I've gotten back into lucid dreaming and dream control, just the constant thought about it (that and quitting marijuana) has lead me to have much more vivid dreams. Each night for the past few weeks I've had very vivid dreams where I am actively in control of my movement and actions yet I can't exert my will on others in the dreams and control them, nor the environment (so not completely lucid). Therefore I can't say that the watch had any real effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by sinik
What I have been using (and I've read about DV's stance on them) are binaurals, namely I-Doser. Now this could be a placebo effect but I'm doubtful that it is. The binaural beats I use are labeled Sleeping Angel, Reset, and Lucid Dream:
"Sleeping Angel" is our perfect nap, or evening doze into sleeping bliss. Lay back, put on the headphones, and let it open by syncing to your current awake brain waves, then gradually bring you down into a Theta state, and tuck you gently into Delta. Your sleep, your perfect rest, is delivered through pink noise that gradually fades while the binaural beats take charge. By the end of 25min you will have gone from your regular awake state, softly guiding through Theta, and then drift into a perfect-sync Delta, at which point you will be zoning in a perfect rest: hypnotic, wonder, sleep.
Reset will reset your brain to a normal 8hz level, or normal and awake. This dose was designed so you could "reset" your brain if you wanted to get rid of the effects of a dose, or try another dose and "clear" your brain before you administrate another one! Because many I-Doser doses are so very powerful, we do not recommend you piggy-back doses one after another. If you try a dose, and then want to try another, MAKE SURE you use a reset dose in between!
Lucid Dreams... or the act of being awake and aware inside your dreams. This dose was designed to be taken just before you go to bed. It is important you hit the pillows just as the dose is over so it can work its magic into the night... and magic is it! This dose was designed to do two things: Help you to remember your dreams, and aid you in being lucid in them and control them by bringing you from a high to a low theta, where dreams can intensify! Normally being able to control a dream takes months of intense practice, but with this dose it can come much easier! Since the first few times a user becomes lucid can be intense, this dose is marked VERY STRONG!
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Those are the descriptive texts from their site.
Just more thought streaming here, I wonder if the pressure point induces some form of a WILD. Explained:
Last night I tried to go to sleep with the bracelet on but it was just so ANNOYING I eventually took it off. Which led me to think that maybe this pressure point is obnoxious enough to keep the mind awake enough to notice that it's dreaming but yet gentle enough to let the rest of it fall asleep. Whenever this works for me, the first dream of the night is my lucid dream.
I'm going to try both tonight (falling asleep with it on and doing a WILD with it at about 3:00AM). I'm feelin' good, the last five nights have yielded the longest and most vivid dreams I've ever had (non-lucid though, I haven't tried anything new this last week). I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that I've eaten ridiculous amounts of peppermints over the past several days...
Cheers!
This technique has a lot of potential. I'm going to try a WBTB tonight and only putting on the bracelet when I get up for said WBTB. That way I'll be right ready for an REM cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by vmenge
ive been wearin my watch (cuz it has my alarm on it) on my wrist all week and ive been gettin extrmely vivid dreams wit it onQuote:
Originally Posted by A dreamer168
i nvr knew it was cuz of this pressure point tho...
anyway ill post my results 2morrow
Good luck and tell us how you got on eicca. This is a very interesting concept!Quote:
Originally Posted by eicca
I'm still thinking that the pressure point indicated is incorrect, for the simple reason that proper area is PC7 "the Spirit Gate", an area said to alleviate Anxiety, Panic Attacks, Palpitations and Insomnia.
(But, I maybe wrong on this, so keep trying).
Click on these YouTube links for PC7.. "Acupressure for Anxiety, Panic Attacks, Palpitations" and also "How To Relieve Insomnia With Acupressure".
There is another important pressure point to be aware of (my opinion), when it comes to meditation and aiming to achieve altered states of awareness. I believe that there is a good reason why many Gurus meditate placing the index fingers against the tops of the thumbs, since the pressure point on the tops of the thumbs are linked to the brain. This area can be used to stimulate the mysterious Pineal gland ("Third Eye") within the brain. Apart from what we already know about it’s function it has been discovered that the Pineal Gland, deep within the brain contains liquid and “cones and rods” just like the eye (hence “Third Eye”). This goes some way to explain why we see visions and imagery (HI) before sleep and during dreams.
I’ve tried by massaging the points for at least 2 minutes before bed for the past few nights and I also used a small round crystal for both thumb points. I achieved vivid dreams and semi-lucidity three times (not bad, since I’m suffering from insomnia caused by a flu-like virus making me wheeze and cough badly!).
Best wishes.
Thank you for posting this technique. I will try it tonight.
I used a different variation of this technique (which i guess is the same thing tbh) I took a simple wrist band made of a thick-like string and wore it on my right hand (I usually wear wrist jewelry on my left) and I achieved semi-lucidity a couple times in one go. I was looking at this really hot girl and out of no where I got the idea that I was dreaming. I told myself to reality check, but for some reason the lucidity went away before i could check and continued on into a new dreamscape. BUT, it was a really clear dream and I haven't had any luck in a couple weeks, so this really helped.
Also I have a question, I can reach deep SP with ease almost everytime I try, but I was wondering how I could turn that into an LD, because once I'm in SP I can't ever seem to fall asleep. I was told numerous times that it was because I focus too much on something, the problem is, I don't think I do. Any suggestions?
There is another important pressure point to be aware of (my opinion), when it comes to meditation and aiming to achieve altered states of awareness. I believe that there is a good reason why many Gurus meditate placing the index fingers against the tops of the thumbs, since the pressure point on the tops of the thumbs are linked to the brain. This area can be used to stimulate the mysterious Pineal gland ("Third Eye") within the brain. Apart from what we already know about it’s function it has been discovered that the Pineal Gland, deep within the brain contains liquid and “cones and rods” just like the eye (hence “Third Eye”). This goes some way to explain why we see visions and imagery (HI) before sleep and during dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by rajofthenee
Last night I achieved strong lucidity by spinning in circles in my dream when I thought I was about to wake up.
hmm, I haven't really tried it, but this seems like a placebo.
However, the only thing I can think of about this technique is the FAT (I think) Focus Attention Technique, which is a form of WILD. I think the watch is keeping the user slightly aware?
I tried this last night, with a livestrong wrist band, and a little box of floss, not exactly irritating, but a little bothersome, i am a complete noob, never had a lucid dream, just getting into the idea, and ive been looking it up latley like crazy, so i tried this, i fell asleep for about 20 minutes, and started to have a dream that i was talking on my phone, and someone was crying on the other end, all of a sudden, back in my bed, started shaking like crazy, felt like i was having a seizure but totally conscious of it, like "omfg, im dreaming" i could still feel the wristband in my dream, freaked me the fuck out, couldnt wake up, finally did and ripped that bitch off lol, gonna try it again tonight tho, cuz looking back, it was rather interesting, i wonder how long i would have seized if i hadnt tried to wake myself up..
Nothing big to report but an almost-successful WILD attempt this morning :D I was half in a dream yet half still conscious. It was interesting...
Thinking of trying this tonight. Does it have to be cardboard that you strap to your wrist? I dunno if I'm gonna be able to find any around my house :P
Well, I tried this last night and had no results. Granted my cardboard was 2x2 inches, and not 1x1, but I'll try again tonight. If if doesn't work I'll try with a 1x1 piece of cardboard then.
This just annoyed me for some reason.
Hopefully this will end my 1 year looong dry spell. I will try it with cardboard taped on like a watch. Will post results tomorrow!
Still nothing. Going to try later tonight with a 1x1 piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by vmenge
I will try this tonight.
I have now made my bracelet. Put a bottle cap under the cardboard and it's nice and smooth. Going to sleep now, will report tomorrow.
This did nothing for me last night. Recall was poor as well. I think this is bogus, just like the first guy who posted this technique. It's no different than the bracelets I wear.