Marijuana: LD aid

I know their have been other threads on Marijuana and dream lucidity, but this one is different. I'm adding a possible method to attain lucidity.

The man who introduced me to Lucid Dreaming and he's an old school spiritual pot smoking hippy ( as well am I, though a lot less. Lol ). I was telling him of my disapoinment when I read Marijuana really hindered dream recall. He replies to me:
If you go to bed high you will have problems with REM sleep and remembering your dreams in some people. But he was telling me he uses it to help. When he smokes 2 or 3 hrs before sleep, going to bed after it wears off, it seems to improve REM and dream recall. After I am able to LD more controllable I will try and post results. But I think it will vary as marijuana effects people differently. With me its feel a little relaxed and an hr later, nothing.

Sorry this was so long, and I hope it looks good ( I'm posting via phone. HTC hero )

NOTE. I DO NOT CONDONE OR PROMOTE ILLEGAL DRUG USE. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE EDUCATIONAL.

Well, i recommend that you stop smoking marijuana, as it is quite unhealty, even though it does not seem like that at first. Second, scientists say that smoking pot hinders LD's, and i would personaly trust a scientist more than a drug addict.

Marijuana is only unhealthy when its SMOKE is inhaled, and its not the Marijuana which is bad for you, it's the smoke. If you use a vaporizer, NO SMOKE! lol. Anyways, I havent smoked in a few days, and don't think I'm going to soon, as Lucid Dreaming ( once achieved ) is far more important than a little relaxation lol

Jervilan, please don't talk like you know about cannabis, because from your one post it's easy to tell how much you don't know about the entire subject.

Anyways, good luck BmDubb, I'd like to know your results.

lol yeah, I've been VERY VERY VERY familiar with Cannabis for about 15 years lol. I still love hearing the " Pot is bad for you " propaganda ( enter, Reefer Madness ).

It is SCIENTIFIC FACT. That THC ( The Psychoactive drug found in THS ) is NOT harmful to humans. Heres an excerpt from an actually scientific study on it ( there were 8 claims of Marijuana being unhealthy, which ALL 8.. Thats right, EVERY SINLGLE one of the myths that has followed Cannabis for YEARS has been SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN WRONG. And, that's a F...A...C...T

THE FACTS

The original basis of this claim was a report that, upon postmortem examinations, structural changes in several brain regions were found in two rhesus monkeys exposed to THC. 51 Because these changes primarily involved the hippocampus, a cortical brain region known to play an important role in learning and memory, this finding suggested possible negative consequences for human marijuana users.

Additional studies, employing rodents, reported similar brain changes.

However, to achieve these results, massive doses of THC - up to 200 times the psychoactive dose in humans - had to be given . In fact, studies employing 100 times the human dose have failed to reveal any damage. 52

In the most recently published study, rhesus monkeys were exposed through face-mask inhalation to the smoke equivalent of four to five joints per day for one year. When sacrificed seven months later, there was no observed alteration of hippocampal architecture, cell size, cell number, or synaptic configuration. The authors conclude:

"while behavioral and neuroendocrinal effects are observed during marijuana smoke exposure in the monkey, residual neuropathological and neurochemical effects of marijuana exposure were not observed seven months after the year-long marijuana smoke regimen." 53

Thus, 20 years after the first report of brain damage in two marijuana-exposed monkeys, the claim of damage to brain cells has been effectively disproven.

No postmortem examinations of the brains of human marijuana users have ever been conducted. However, numerous studies have explored marijuana effect on brain-related cognitive functions. Many employ an experimental design - in which subjects are given marijuana in a laboratory setting, and then compared to controls on a variety of measures involving attention, learning and memory.

I got high for the first time last night (probably be the last time, I don't like coughing like that lol) and went to sleep about 2 hrs later and although I could recall the dream, I never thought about a RC, maybe it's because I'm not a good LD yet, or it could be I didn't know what the drug would do to me lol, but that's my result.

Well one thing is true my friends who stopped smoking weed all had a increase in remembering their dreams. they don't dream lucid btw. also i aint saying it was the stopping of smoking but its rather likely it was

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Originally Posted by Mathias

Jervilan, please don't talk like you know about cannabis, because from your one post it's easy to tell how much you don't know about the entire subject.

Anyways, good luck BmDubb, I'd like to know your results.

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Inhaling smoke=unhealthy. Whether it's a blunt, a cig, a cigar, or sitting in front of a fire.

If the dude is vaping, that's totally different though.

Yeah... The 2 healthiest ways to enjoy are through a NICE double filtered water bong, or the best way is vaporizer for sure. You can take MASSIVE rips off a vaporizer without getting ANY smoke, so it's not harsh and won't cause you to " cough lock ". Its like taking a breath of fresh air, thats laced with THC lol

Last night, I smoked about 2 hours before I went to bed.. I woke up this morning, and remembered having a dream, and even was able to write down a little.. But it was just bits, and pieces. Enough evidence for me to not smoke much at all anymore ( Maybe just on the weekends ), as Lucid Dreaming is more meaningful to me.

It does not really matter cannabis is illegal in just about every 1st world country, and should not be discussed on forums about dreaming.

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Originally Posted by Jervilan

It does not really matter cannabis is illegal in just about every 1st world country, and should not be discussed on forums about dreaming.

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I'm sorry, but I think it is a very relevant topic for a dreaming forum. A LOT of people smoke pot. And it is interesting to know how it affects dreaming. As for it being illegal, in many states the penalty for being caught with enough marijuana for just personal use is no worse than getting a parking ticket. And as for pot smokers being "drug addicts", well most of us know that marijuana is provenly not addictive.

On subject, I have a friend who smokes about every other day and not a huge amount. His dream recall is very good for someone who isn't even trying. He puts me and my DJ to shame. On the other hand, I don't know what his recall would be like without the pot. Maybe it would be even better!

I smoked ganja nearly everyday for quite a while and at first my dream recall didn't really change. Then my dreams turned into the most bizare random shit ever. Then dream recall started going, it got to the point where I could only remember maybe 1 dream every week or two.

Once I stopped and got into the habit of keeping a dream journal I can now remember 3-4 dreams a night. On occassion I would smoke, and my dream recall would be terrible no matter if I blazed right before bed or 3 hours before.

I have now quit smoking MJ all together for various reasons.

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Originally Posted by Jervilan

It does not really matter cannabis is illegal in just about every 1st world country, and should not be discussed on forums about dreaming.

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I beg to differ. While it's very considerate of you to be thinking of strangers' health and well-being like that, I feel that cannabis, along with many other psychoactives of varying legal statuses, can and should be discussed in a mature and open-minded fashion; this is especially true if it is being discussed in the context of altered mind states. Your input is appreciated, however I feel that in regard to this particular subject you are, to a degree, being closed-minded. As far as this thread and forum is concerned, cannabis is perfectly relevant.

I don't do cannabis often, but when I have, I've found I have a hell of a lot of really vivid dreams. No Lucids, but very vivid nonetheless.... would be interesting to try a few LD techniques to see the results...

Also, if you're one of the people who has a real problem with Marijuana (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all) I'd suggest not reading a thread with "Marijuana" in the title. I'm not having a go at all, but if I was to read a thread with a title containing something I'm against, I know it would only lead to trouble, so it might be better not to read at all :)

Yeah, Im just going to go from a habitual ganja smoker to a recreational lol. Before Lucid Dreaming, pot was an important part of my life. Kept me grounded, and gives me motivation and helps me get less aggravated lol. But, Looks like Im going to have to split up visitation of my mind between LDing and Marijuana. I just see me smoking on weekends now. lol

id say that despite often having less memory of some dreams when smoking, overall long term smoking definately has a positive effect on your dreaming ability. when you cut down for a while the dreams go to a whole new level that i doubt i would ever have experienced if i had never smoked. also many of the feelings and states of consciousness i have felt in the best lucid dreams i have had, are so similar to the things you experience while stoned that there just has to be some positive link. i felt things like the bodies energy system while stoned, long before i ever knew what the hell it was. also weed sems to automatically put you in a more meditative state, and i often get interesting rushes in the forehead area which is apparently a main centre of your dreaming ability

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Originally Posted by Jervilan

Well, i recommend that you stop smoking marijuana, as it is quite unhealty, even though it does not seem like that at first.

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Evidence?

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Originally Posted by Jervilan

Second, scientists say that smoking pot hinders LD's, and i would personaly trust a scientist more than a drug addict.

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With all due respect, I question your qualification to give advice on this matter.

On to the point of the thread. In the past I've noted a decline in memory of dreams when I'd smoked the night before, but when my recall was stronger, I found I could still remember more than enough to work with. You can still have good recall if you smoke, you just have to work a bit at it. And keeping it to about 3 hours before bed. Any less and you'll still be under some level of effects, depending on how much you smoked. I also did it sometimes helps to not wait too lo g either.

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Originally Posted by BmDubb

I know their have been other threads on Marijuana and dream lucidity, but this one is different. I'm adding a possible method to attain lucidity.

The man who introduced me to Lucid Dreaming and he's an old school spiritual pot smoking hippy ( as well am I, though a lot less. Lol ). I was telling him of my disapoinment when I read Marijuana really hindered dream recall. He replies to me:
If you go to bed high you will have problems with REM sleep and remembering your dreams in some people. But he was telling me he uses it to help. When he smokes 2 or 3 hrs before sleep, going to bed after it wears off, it seems to improve REM and dream recall. After I am able to LD more controllable I will try and post results. But I think it will vary as marijuana effects people differently. With me its feel a little relaxed and an hr later, nothing.

Sorry this was so long, and I hope it looks good ( I'm posting via phone. HTC hero )

NOTE. I DO NOT CONDONE OR PROMOTE ILLEGAL DRUG USE. THIS IS INTENDED TO BE EDUCATIONAL.

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Few things first. This question has been answered many times! Also, everything in moderation. Excessive amounts of THC can affect you in negative ways.

That being said, what your friend / mentor is experiencing is a REM rebound. After ~1hr of intake, you will experience an abnormal amount of melatonin in your system. Melatonin hinders REM sleep.

Once this passes, your body makes up for lost REM sleep earlier by extending the later REM periods. This makes lucid dreaming easier, as you have longer, vivid dreams.

Note, however, the SAME result (and more effectively) can be obtained by taking a simple melatonin supplement at bed time. This will not affect your short-term memory.

OVERALL, marijuana will hinder your ability to lucid dream.

Jervilan, pls go

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Originally Posted by RabbitWhole

I beg to differ. While it's very considerate of you to be thinking of strangers' health and well-being like that, I feel that cannabis, along with many other psychoactives of varying legal statuses, can and should be discussed in a mature and open-minded fashion; this is especially true if it is being discussed in the context of altered mind states. Your input is appreciated, however I feel that in regard to this particular subject you are, to a degree, being closed-minded. As far as this thread and forum is concerned, cannabis is perfectly relevant.

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Logic and tolerance for the win, I applaud you. Honestly.

This guy is testament to how effective our government has been at demonizing drugs and drug users, no matter how harmless the drug and responsible the user.

yeah jervilan stop preaching, you sound like a dweeb

I've always found that when I'm high, I take reality checks more seriously and really consider that I may actually be dreaming. That being said, the memory loss takes my dream recall and absolutely destroys it, usually for up to two nights after smoking. Even if the OP is right and it is a dream aid, and I had some crazy LDs the nights after smoking, I don't remember any of them. I'm not going to preach about the benefits of quitting (it was logical choice for me), but dream recall was definitely a huge plus.

Another interesting note is that smoking is a dream sign for me.. I no longer smoke in real life, but quite often in dreams.

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Originally Posted by dfault01

I've always found that when I'm high, I take reality checks more seriously and really consider that I may actually be dreaming. That being said, the memory loss takes my dream recall and absolutely destroys it, usually for up to two nights after smoking. Even if the OP is right and it is a dream aid, and I had some crazy LDs the nights after smoking, I don't remember any of them. I'm not going to preach about the benefits of quitting (it was logical choice for me), but dream recall was definitely a huge plus.

Another interesting note is that smoking is a dream sign for me.. I no longer smoke in real life, but quite often in dreams.

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Seconded... I'm not going to dismiss the idea that proper timing might make marijuana a lucid aid, but from what I've heard, marijuana (or any other cannabinoid receptor antagonist, including the JWHs) absolutely destroys recall unless smoked long before bed.

I don't see how this thread is any different from the hundreds of other pot threads on here. Smoking pot is terrible for dream recall and lucidity, bottom line. If you want to have lucid dreams...stop smoking pot.