Getting lucid in 3rd person perspective dreams

So, my boyfriend and I had our first serious discussion about LD since I came to the forum last night, and he explained a little better why he's had trouble with it. Apparently around 90% of the dreams he has are in the third person, and the observer if very nearly braindead for the whole dream. Given that, a lot of the "try to do this" or "try to remember that" sounds completely foreign to him since he doesn't have a nose to pinch (or what have you).

I know someone on the board was saying they've managed a LD when viewing a dream from the 3rd person, are there any nuggets of wisdom I can take back with me for our next attempt?

Here's a quote from a post by 'shiraniaori' , maybe it'll help you. If it does and you want to give thanks, give them to him :).

Here is the post: www [dot] dreamviews [dot] com/f14/help-my-dreams-too-much-like-videogames-102188/#post1520219

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Originally Posted by shiraniaori

As soon as you get into the LD, look around and focus on how realistic everything is. Look at an object, feel the wind, smell the scent, etc etc. When you get a feel for how vivid everything is, don't let it go. Focus on it during everything you do, and eventually it'll become more and more commonplace in your dreams. Only problem with this is if you start an LD in video game mode, or third person, then you'll have to close your eyes to teleport into a first person dream scene. or spin if you can.

Funny thing is, this works both ways, I had an LD a couple of days ago where I flew over the ocean, and I was looking at how vivid it was, then I saw the clouds, and I thought it looked a bit like a video game, I focused on it more, and the whole world looked like a 3d vectored video game. It was beautiful, but after like 10 min of me doing things "video-game-style" I FA'd and told my friend about it, as if the dream was a video game. I told him how to fly in it, and where the good spots are, etc etc.

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I'm more looking for help on getting him to attain lucidity in the first place, not what to do with it once he's there. Most of the reality checks I've seen involve either a physical body (which he doesn't have) or directing attention to a specific thing (which he can't do as a braindead floating camera).

http://www.dreamviews.com/f20/some-c...4/#post1509453
http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/camera...e-dream-53878/
http://www.dreamviews.com/f14/view-3...n-angle-51950/
http://www.dreamviews.com/f15/thrid-...eamsign-50606/

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Originally Posted by katemorrigan

I'm more looking for help on getting him to attain lucidity in the first place, not what to do with it once he's there. Most of the reality checks I've seen involve either a physical body (which he doesn't have) or directing attention to a specific thing (which he can't do as a braindead floating camera).

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Oh, sorry.
You could try the tutorials forum?

I think the only option is to recognize consistent dream signs and hope they are enough to trigger a realization that he is dreaming. Other than that he sounds kind of SOL unfortunately. I have a fair share of both types of dreams and have wondered the same thing myself sometimes.

Lucidity's about awareness. He's got to be skeptical that he could be dreaming at any moment. When people dream, they don't consider the fact that they could be dreaming, and that's what has to change for one to have a lucid dream. In waking life, you have to stop and question whether you're actually awake, and do a reality check.

About third-person lucidity, I've become lucid once but I assumed my own presence in the dream, and didn't remain in the third-person.

A lot of these threads have advice I'm gonna try to abuse the next time I get stuck in a third person dream, unfortunately it's still not something my boyfriend can use. The real problem is the tremendous distance between "him" and everything happening in the dream. He described it as waking up and remembering a movie that you saw six months ago. So I guess maybe a better question would be whether anyone has experience getting more connected to their dreams in a non-lucid sense. It's hard to think "maybe I'm dreaming" when you aren't thinking at all in the dream.

Has he tried asking himself why he doesn't have a body in these dreams?

Oh, that's easy. He's been having super gory violent nightmares since he was a child, and he's pretty sure the distance wasn't there when he was younger. The 10% or so of dreams where he's not completely disconnected wind up screwing him up pretty badly the next day, even if they're typically less violent than the regular ones. It's a coping mechanism; unfortunately like a lot of coping mechanisms it's getting in the way of a possible resolution to the problem.

That's kinda sad. I always liked nightmare-ish dreams cause they're kinda like free horror movies X100.

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Originally Posted by Specter117

That's kinda sad. I always liked nightmare-ish dreams cause they're kinda like free horror movies X100.

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Did you enjoy torture porn when you were five years old?

Erm....no?