I've been studying the Illuminati for several years and feel prepared to answer any and all questions related to the Secret Society and other shadow influences on world government. Ask away.
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I've been studying the Illuminati for several years and feel prepared to answer any and all questions related to the Secret Society and other shadow influences on world government. Ask away.
Tinfoil hats enhance brain control devices.
(Just trying to stay on topic)
Who are they?
The earliest known record of the Illuminati is a Bavarian society modeled after the free masons but with influence from the Enlightenment. However since then, hundreds of secret societies have claimed ties to this bavarian order which was banned only a year after being founded.
If you can answer my question completely rationally and thoroughly: +1 to you sir.
The illuminati conspiracy has had a recent surge of growth in recent years. It has left the isolation of only right-wing populists movements to mainstream popularity. Skeptics will believe that all of this is complete non-sense. Is there some rational truth to these conspiracies of new world order, totalitarianism and prophecy? If so, what are they?
Without sounding ignorant because I am open to new ideas, my personal belief is that conspiracism is created for the purpose of blame. Example: I blame the government for my poor financial state. What is your opinion on this theory?
Finally, is conspiracism a good thing? My belief is that it creates quite a bit of cynicism, paradoxal convoluted thinking and hopelessness. What is your opinion on this?
That's it. Good luck. :P
Let me first point out that to believe no conspiracy theories are true is as crazy as believing they're all true. But a lot of today's illuminati and NWO theories are just ideologues filtering information to fit their end-times prophecies. Because of this, any oppressive sort of action by our financial and government institutions is automatically glombed onto Satanism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantiq
Firstly you have to realize many of these secret societies were trying to preserve knowledge repressed by the church. I'm sure from Da Vinci code you're aware of the way pagan symbols were transformed into satanic symbols in order to control the way people think. Conspiracy theorists with underlying religious agendas see one satanic symbol and suddenly it means satan controls government. Nevermind that perhaps these symbols were placed purposely in order to wake people up to the truth that's been kept hidden from them.
There is no world-wide order of satanists leading us into oppression. There is, however, an ancient caste system that still exists. The Presidents really are related, false flag incidents have happened and the government has run inhumane tests on the population (US, UK, China, Japan and Germany are all confirmed to have kidnapped their own citizens for experimentation with disease, dismemberment, chemical reactions, etc...). This is not worldwide, every country is still essentially self autonomous and even the royal bloodline can do little more than follow the will of the mob in order to maintain their power. The real game is very different from what the media tells us. But reality is also very different from what we perceive it to be. It's so different from what we perceive it to be right now that there isn't any point in arguing about how it works. It's like trying to describe the milky way to a geocentric audience.
Satan is the adversary. When you die, you will meet Satan. He's an archetype in your head, like the other angels, and he'll take different forms based on your religious background and your perception of yourself and of the way you lead your life. It's hard to explain exactly what he is and I'll admit I don't fully understand it but he's directly connected with your life replay and your ability to accept the choices you made in life.
The thing to avoid here is demonization. Looking for the shady men behind the curtain is just your parasite's way of distracting you from the real villain within.
Well, I have to admit you are the first one to give me a completely different perspective on this conspiracy itself. Some of what you said I actually believe, so much respect to you.
This. I definitely believe there have been false flag incidents occurring in the past and the fact the government has run inhumain tests on the population. And perhaps our perspective what we really think is going on is completely different from what actually is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
This is interesting but I'm not sure if I completely believe you on this one. Its basically because of my different religious beliefs. I tend to be an optimist and I am Buddhist so I usually tend to look at the positives in people. Instead of a "good" and a "Bad" I tend to see only neutral. What is "good?". What is "bad?". Perhaps my definition of good is completely different from your definition of good and if this is so, where good and bad are inexplainable, perhaps morals are neutral.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
Anyway, thanks for the reply. You're the first one to create a rational argument on the illuminati without telling me that the world is going to end and that there is no point in living.
Actually I was trying to figure out what Satan is called in the tibetan book of the dead because he's mentioned there, too. He's the challenger, his role is to reveal you to yourself.
Are you familiar with Rob Ager's amazing analysis of Stanley Kubrick's The Shining, which he finds is filled with Illuminati references?
i have no idea how accurate any of it might be, but on a strictly artistic level I'm astonished with Kubrick's ability to layer deeply meaningful ideas and messages into a film. Reading this analysis led me on a wild and merry chase looking into all this Illuminati stuff, which really threw me for a loop for a while there.
I've always been really interested in the Illuminati concept, but haven't been so grounded enough to do extensive research. However, I've done my fair share of reading on it. I believe in a hidden framework of 'order' among the elites. I believe in the caste system that (even despite the guise of things like 'democracy' and 'the greater good') work to keep certain social groups in power, and keeping the general public, at large, as far away from that level of power as is possible. I believe that the Presidency, and geopolitical positions of power are more of a fraternity than they are a collection of separate entities that are coming together for the good of all peoples. I believe that there is 'an Agenda' with political power, just like there is 'an agenda' with any other corporation. Big Tobacco claims to provide a service, and they rebut and distract as much as possible, for people go perceive their existence as a service. (i.e.; we are just giving the people the 'fix' they want, for their enjoyment!), knowing full well that what they do is more for profit and personal gain than it is for providing a humanistic service.
Still, I believe that this level of truth to some conspiracies gets buried under all of the hysteria. Possible motives are exacerbated. Possible conspiracies are blown up to fantastic proportions, and completely unrealistic assumptions. These 'perceived truths' are told more often than any would-be 'actual truths', so 'conspiracy theory', as a whole, gets shot down, because it's easier to assume a conspiracy is a fraud than it is to go against the grain and actually look at the situations objectively.
When it comes to things like the Illuminati, the Bilderberg group, the Rockerfeller dynasty, the Federal Reserve and all of these 'power of the few' conspiracy theories, I believe there is much more truth to them than people are willing to believe, though much less truth to the more hysterical claims than many people try to assign to them.
I believe O is the second coming of Jesus.
No argument here, my son. :angel:Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkmatters
I'm going to have to watch all Kubrick's movies now. I'm getting the opposite sense from evidence in the article than the author though. He's referring to the falsely enlightened ruling class that utilizes the symbol of the eye of providence in reference to their false enlightenment, but what is this false enlightenment? While appearing pretty level headed, it's still pretty obvious that he has an underlying idea he's fitting the evidence into and with a different underlying agenda you can interpret Kubrick's use of symbolism quite differently. Still, it came up with some fascinating quotes ascribed to Woodrow Wilson.
I'm into synchromysticism, I take it lightly but I find, as an artist, I have very little control over my art. It just comes or it doesn't. I can craft it after it's out there but the process itself belongs to another, perhaps something within but definitely not my conscious mind. To me, it does not seem far fetched to believe the truth is constantly bubbling up to the surface of reality, utilizing Complexity to do so. Kubrick was definitely into themes relating to corrupt oligarchy but from his collection of interviews on the same website: Stanley Kubrick interviews and biographies: selected notes he appears to be more driven by strong intuition than a consciously drummed up plan to take down the nwo.
It also is perhaps not good practice to attack the messenger but the article's author is a white nationalist: PROOF OF ANTI-WHITE DISCRIMINATION AT THE NATIONAL UNION OF JOURNALISTS
I have a signed copy of "children of the matrix". Anyway, off to the question for you: is there a reference to them in the Sumerian tablets?
OD, I think that's quite a healthy attitude to take towards those analyses. He admits many times himself that he's just taking wild stabs at some of it, and just assembling the evidence and sifting through if to see what emerges. But I do love a well-researched analysis, especially of films with as many layers of meaning as Kubrick's. Yeah, I had to watch all of his movies too, and some of them several times while reading the analyses in between. I spent an amazing couple of weeks immersed in that wonderland.
What I love the most about it all I think, regardless of how correct Agar's assumptions may be or how accurate Kubrick's ideas inserted so cleverly into his films may be, is just quite simply that it proves the human mind is made to construct and dissect incredibly dense symbolism systems. You read a Kubrick film the same way you can read a dream or a great work of literature. I know some aspects of Freud's work are discredited, but if you read his Interpretation of Dreams you're witnessing a genius at work undertaking his life's work of unraveling the intricacies of the human mind by reading meaning in dreams, and it's uncanny to see how well he can unravel them. Just because something (or someone) has been discredited doesn't mean they don't have important things to teach us. And one of the most important is HOW to read a densely packed system of symbols. The kind of investigative approach and open-mindedness it takes.
Well OK, I've gone too far off topic now. But it's a response to your response to something I said that was somewhat on topic...
Freud gets a bad rap, I'm so glad my psychology teacher wasn't one of those "freud was wrong" sorts.
In answer to your question, IAmCoder, yes and no. The Sumerians were the first society in this era of humanity to "peak beyond" as it were and make contact with life from beyond material reality. The Sumerian Pantheon, much like the successive pantheons in Egypt, Greece and Rome, is not a reference to Aliens or Gods in the same sense we have of God. In Greece, Rome and Egypt they were archetypes, symbols more than reality, used so scholars could converse philosophy. The Sumerian's Ananaki points to extra-terrestrial life at first glance but when one compares the philosophical symbolism of the Ananaki to the successive Mysteries, you can see how it's just a means of preserving truth.
That's not to say nothing strange happened. But is it the Ananaki's fault? Or is it the Atlanteans fault?
The Ananaki theory
The Atlantean Theory
Carl Sagan helping you make sense of it all
How does an eye in a triangle brainwash me?
It doesn't. The triangle represents hierarchy. The eye represents God (more or less). It's just a symbol.
I've been interested in this topic for a long while. I don't really have an opinion on this though, yet.
Here my question to you, just out of curiosity.
There's a symbolism to the illuminati as far as I know and supposedly the people being in this conspiracy use these symbols. At least most videos will focus on that first.
Why would they be openly using these symbols, while it would be more logic to try and hide what secret stuff they're doing, as they are doing 'bad' things as some information suggests, instead of making these symbols and openly showing that they're in such a secret society. For example, the hand gestures that some do, like the president(s) of America, or other political persons, musicians and others.
Yeah, I kinda wondered about that, maybe you have an answer ;p
I know this is ODs thread, and I don't know if it violates protocol for someone else to answer, but I'll just say what I've heard and he can answer too when he pops in here next...
From what I've heard, these are the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world, who buy and sell presidents and world leaders and governments, so who do they have to fear? Not only that, but by keeping this legend and related conspiracy theories alive they promote a subculture of crazies who love to talk about this kind of stuff, and therefore any normal person hearing about it automatically files it under "crazy talk" and just ignores it.
Hiding in plain sight.
Or so I've heard anyway.
It's more about waking people up. Just as the Scholars in the Mysteries built statues of the gods representing a deeper mystery, so have these symbols been added to our own lives in order to point us in the direction of truth and remind us there is something deeper.
The first point I should make is that it's not a nefarious organization bent on controlling us like mindless slaves. The structure is self organized, they are fitting into the mold evolution carved out for them. They don't think the structure is permanent. They think of it more like a ladder, and everyone must slowly work their way up.
great video on the fourth dimension. I remember when I was in calculus doing cross sections that I came about this same theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnis Dei
It is so funny to think about, but if the fourth dimension exists (which string theory I believe postulates), then we are the surface area!
How do we know you are not an agent of the Illuminati?
http://brainwash.discordian.com/images/hand.png
How do I know I'm not?