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      Tell Me About a Post Nuclear World

      Okay, this is take two. My last thread of this title was closed on account of my stupid-speak. That's fine, but I really do want to know about this or else I would not have made the thread. So here is the no-nonsense version of this thread.

      Alric made a post last time. It was a good post. Here it is.

      Okay first off, you need to realize that it is in fact possible to survive a nuclear attack. Nuclear bombs are scary and deadly, however if you are not within 5 miles of the impact point, it is possible to survive. So when you think of a city being bomb, it is unlikely to wipe out the entire city.

      The first thing you need to survive is radiation. When a nuclear bomb goes off close to the ground, it shoots dirt high into the sky and the dirt is all radioactive. You have about an hour or so, before that dirt begins to drift back down. You need to be inside before then. The more material you put between you and that dirt the better, because objects all block radiation. This means you want to be in the center of the house, with as many walls around you as possible.

      Then you want to move furniture and whatever you have available to put as many layers between you and the walls and ceiling as possible. Hide under a table, and stack stuff on top of it, and all around it. Do whatever you can. Having food and water at this point would be a great help. The radiation fades quickly, and within 3 or 4 days it should be safe to go outside. Though try to limit your exposure as much as possible.

      Nuclear bombs that detonate higher in the air, don't create much radiation, because it doesn't blast up all that dirt. So in cases with them you are a little better off. It is also possible to use nukes at extremely high altitudes to cause an EMP burst over a city. Which can shut off all electricity, and destroys electronics.

      If you have a basement or something, this makes an ideal shelter, because the dirt around the basement products a great deal from the radiation. It might also help save you, if you are in a basement when the nuke hits, and you are close to the blast.

      One thing to keep in mind about nuclear blasts, is that they can cause severe fires and stuff. You need to make some preparations for a fire, and possibly have an escape route if the buildings around you collapses or catch fire. You don't want to be trap in a bad area.

      One of the best things you can do, is stock food. A week supply of food, is for small disruptions of services and minor natural disasters. In an all out nuclear war, you are basically on your own. So you want years worth of food. About 7 years of food supplies is ideal. Believe it or not, you can actually stock and store 7 years worth of food in your closet. And even if there is no nuclear war, you can still eat the food, so stocked food is never wasted. In fact, its likely cheaper to buy the bulk foods, and stocking long term food storage can actually save you a lot of money in the long run, even if there is never a disaster.

      Another thing to keep in mind is water purification. Some kind of portable water filtration system would be ideal, but anything that can help you purify water is a great help. There is a good chance if your town is hit, your not going to have running water, and even if you do it might not be safe to drink.

      If you have done all of this, the next best thing you can do is buy a gun. Automatic pistols are ideal. If you got the money, buy a pistol and a shotgun, and make sure you get enough ammo. Might also want to grab two of the same weapons, because if one breaks you can use it for parts, in case the other also breaks. Also buying a bullet proof best would be very useful.

      Food, water and guns, not only help in a nuclear situation, but any end of the world type situations. You do this stuff, and you will be sitting safe, for nearly any problem that could ever show up. Even unexpected things.
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      Are we talking about a nuclear weapon going off in your city or an all out "cold war gone hot" scenario?

      In any case, the first sign of a nuclear blast is a blinding flash of light, at which point you should do like a 1950s civil alert ad and duck for cover. The shock wave should follow several seconds later depending on how close you are to ground zero. The shock wave from a nuke can topple a tank, so find the sturdiest damn thing around and hide behind it. If you're in a building, you'll have to be careful about stuff collapsing on you though. I'd assume that the best place for weathering out the shock wave would be in a basement/subway/underground whatever. I'd also block my ears to try and save my eardrums. The heat from a nuclear blast can go out for miles and travels at the speed of light, so you might be severely burnt (if not incinerated) if you are in the open before you have time to do anything at all.

      If you survive the initial blast, which pretty much depends on how close to the explosion you were, then you'll have to try to limit any radiation exposure as much as possible. The radiation from a nuke comes from the microscopic fission leftovers of the bomb's uranium/plutonium, so an air blast would actually increase the irradiated area because the bomb's particles would be dispersed and then fall over the city, rather than being blocked by buildings/debris at ground level. The radiation always travels with the wind so you should be fine if you stay upwind of ground zero. After that I'd get as far as possible. No point in defending your house in a city that just got nuked, it's not like there's going to be anything left for you there.

      If it's some kind of massive attack, then the military will know about it and have a small amount of time to warn the public. I don't know if they still have public fallout shelters in the US, but I'd just follow whatever directives the nuclear armageddon specialist dudes would give, they've spent a lot of time training for those kinds of scenarios. After that I'd try to leave the country as soon as possible before the fallout starts blanketing the countryside.
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      There was really no good reason for Akono to lock the first thread.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      There was really no good reason for Akono to lock the first thread.
      I asked him to. It looked like a troll post with its grammar and one line post.

      Anyway, I don't think you really have to worry about this. The odds are that if a nuke gets detonated, it'll be a small, ad-hoc terrorist bomb that had to be small enough to fit in a suitcase. It'll be devastating locally, but not affect the rest of the world.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      I asked him to. It looked like a troll post with its grammar and one line post.

      Anyway, I don't think you really have to worry about this. The odds are that if a nuke gets detonated, it'll be a small, ad-hoc terrorist bomb that had to be small enough to fit in a suitcase. It'll be devastating locally, but not affect the rest of the world.
      Haha. I can see why it looked like a troll post. I am not actually terrified of this. Rather I am going to revolve a project around this within the next few months, (hopefully,) and need all the data I can get. The bad grammar was to come off as a person legitamentally afraid of Russia up and nuking us to see how one would respond to suchg a person, (because that is the type of person I am catering to.) I will be honest, some of it was just me feeling silly.
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      The dirty bomb, suit case style stuff, only does damage to a couple of blocks. Its highly unlikely you will die from one, unless you are actually in the building that is being targeted. However it could cause disruptions if done in the city, and you should be prepared for that. In a lot of cases, the same types of preparations will be useful in floods, hurricanes, earthquakes and things like that. So even if its unlikely, being prepared for any natural disaster actually makes sense.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ninja9578 View Post
      I asked him to. It looked like a troll post with its grammar and one line post.

      Anyway, I don't think you really have to worry about this. The odds are that if a nuke gets detonated, it'll be a small, ad-hoc terrorist bomb that had to be small enough to fit in a suitcase. It'll be devastating locally, but not affect the rest of the world.
      Well it was clearly written in a satirical paranoid fashion and it already had an interesting and detailed post, plus spockman is hardly a nefarious member... perhaps just editing the post or messaging him?

      But anyway... I heard back in school doing physics that a single kilo of plutonium, if vaporised in the upper atmosphere, is toxic enough to destroy all human life on Earth.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Well it was clearly written in a satirical paranoid fashion and it already had an interesting and detailed post, plus spockman is hardly a nefarious member... perhaps just editing the post or messaging him?

      But anyway... I heard back in school doing physics that a single kilo of plutonium, if vaporised in the upper atmosphere, is toxic enough to destroy all human life on Earth.
      Wow, could it really? Do modern researchers still accept that as truth?
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      I guess so, this was only a couple of years ago, and the health effects of nuclear decay is pretty well established science which isn't really subject to change. I think we were doing some question about why plutonium wouldn't be good fuel for a space probe.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      But anyway... I heard back in school doing physics that a single kilo of plutonium, if vaporised in the upper atmosphere, is toxic enough to destroy all human life on Earth.
      I don't think that's true, a nuke contains a few kilos of plutonium and we've blown them up all the way into space. Plus during a nuclear explosion, most of the plutonium is converted into its fissile components.

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      I'm talking about chemically vaporising the plutonium.

      Edit: I did some looking and it looks like I was misinformed, it's less harmful than cyanide. Strange, my teacher did this whole thing about the dust being distributed by global air streams. Well, that's a relief... I'll just go back to worrying about smallpox and nanobots.
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      Even then I'd bet that the combined total of all the nuclear air blasts in the 20th century have put more than a kilo of plutonium in the atmosphere. It seems that plutonium's danger only comes from its radioactivity as well, which isn't really worse than the radioactivity from the elements in nuclear fallout.

      Isotopes and compounds of plutonium are dangerous due to their radioactivity. Contamination by plutonium oxide (spontaneously oxidized plutonium) has resulted from a number of military nuclear accidents where nuclear weapons have burned.[81] However, based on chemical toxicity alone, the element is less dangerous than arsenic or cyanide and about the same as caffeine.[82][83]

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